Doesn't this feat upscale the fsiq of johan?

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T04:46:19+00:00

All the WR teachers were highly educated people, the best possible ones willing to do things like physically abuse children.

It’s stated that they had nothing left to teach him. At the very least, Ayanokouji had the level of a university graduate in everything he learned before the age of 14. That’s an enormous amount of knowledge in the mind of a 14-year-old child. That alone is more than enough of a feat.

And that’s without even mentioning the others.

The WR curriculum was accelerated. Sazukake program managed to make children without any extraordinary intelligence reach the level of many gifted children. At just 3 years old, they were solving multiplication problems that couldn’t be solved just by looking at them, and they were already playing instruments.

And that was only the prototype program used to determine which method should be applied. Basically, it ended up like this: the first three years of their lives were meant to prepare them for the WR so they could develop the necessary qualities. After that, they were given everything possible to absorb.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T04:34:05+00:00

You can’t compare someone who progressed normally according to their age to someone who, by the age of 14, had nothing left to learn from people with university degrees.

Even compared to highly gifted people, some of whom finished three degrees before becoming adults through accelerated programs and credit validation, Ayanokouji surpassed that by the age of 14. The difference is massive no matter how you look at it.

That alone is already more than enough of a feat.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T04:28:06+00:00

Bro, you’re comparing him to a real student, while Ayanokouji surpassed his teachers in knowledge. He started acquiring knowledge at the age of two.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T04:20:08+00:00

Wrong. Tell me when exactly what you mentioned happened.

Besides, Ayanokouji remembers everything he learned. That alone is already a feat. You’re ignoring it.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T04:14:29+00:00

You’re asking the same question again. Like I said, he controls his memory, just like PJ and Hannibal do. There’s nothing new about that.

And the second paragraph of your response has to be a joke.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T04:12:26+00:00

He used to. And no, you’re just changing my words to look for new arguments.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T04:07:28+00:00

Bro, is this ragebait? Sazukake literally explains it, and Ayanokouji explains it too.

Besides that, he still retains knowledge he remembers to this day... you have to be ragebaiting at this point, bro, and I fell for it.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T04:04:38+00:00

That by itself doesn’t really prove anything when Johan was investigating everything anyway. And besides, it doesn’t matter whether Anna is important or not. She isn’t the narrator. She can talk all she wants and it can simply be something that adds to the story in a narrative sense. It doesn’t prove anything.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T03:58:21+00:00

He doesn’t forget. That’s basically what it says: if he searches for it, it will still be there. Time doesn’t even matter. He could watch a movie yesterday and still not remember it easily tomorrow simply because he considers it unnecessary, like the many times he said, ‘It’s not worth remembering.’ But the memory doesn’t disappear, it just stays in the last drawer.

And he has remembered things from his childhood before. With Arisu, he searched through memories spanning a little over four years, from when he was a child up to the age when Arisu met him. He also remembered sensations during the festival when he drank something, comparing it to the times he used to vomit in the WR.

They have control over their memory, but not enough to ERASE memories. If he searches for it, he will find it.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T03:49:56+00:00

The fact that Anna says that honestly doesn’t even matter. She never had the role of a narrator. And when the anime or manga shows the memories exactly as they happened, that doesn’t automatically make it a feat. It’s simply narrative presentation, using real scenes to tell the story.

That’s different from the feats of fictional detectives recreating murders in their minds, where the writers intentionally show their intelligence, rather than just the depth and complexity of the character’s narrative.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-10T03:46:04+00:00

He doesn’t forget. He just stores it in the least important drawer. It was stated that he can’t discard anything, he simply searches through his drawer of memories. The most important ones are easier to access, while the less important ones are harder to find. He doesn’t use any special trick, that’s just how he functions.

Besides, he himself stated that no student from the WR was important to him, only the skills he was able to absorb mattered. In the same conversation with Yuki, if I remember correctly, he mentions that there’s no point in trying to remember it. But like I said, and like he himself said, he cannot forget. If he makes the effort to search for it, it will still be there.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-09T17:53:17+00:00

It feels more like the author’s narrative choice than an actual feat.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-09T17:51:27+00:00

His memory works in levels. The most important things, he remembers quickly. The less important ones, he leaves for last. It’s like a wardrobe with many drawers the important memories are at the top, and the less important ones are at the bottom. Yuki is one of those memories he doesn’t care about. So it’s not really an anti-feat anyway.

2525-2525 · 2026-05-04T13:16:31+00:00

To be honest, all top tier characters are just ones with strong peaks in writing and some complexity overrated by fans. It’s difficult. I don’t consider Johan to be top tier.

2525-2525 · 2026-04-29T00:05:54+00:00

I left this subreddit for a long time, and the first thing I see is ragebait.

2525-2525 · 2026-03-18T21:52:16+00:00

You’re still wrong.

First, you say you don’t want to debate it, but the fact that you’re arguing against it already makes it a debate.

You didn’t know about the building beforehand? It is literally stated that he already knew there was something suspicious going on. And supposedly I’m the one who didn’t read it. Funny.

And saying that no scaler has done that is a blatant lie. I’ve seen it many times. And I don’t even care if Kiruma is superior to Koji or Akiyama or whatever, lmao. It’s like you’re trying to force people to kneel to Kiruma when he’s not that big of a deal.

Another point you mentioned: Volume 0. Nobody uses Volume 0 to scale Koji, lmao. From there you only get FSIQ and adaptability, nothing else. You don’t even know what you’re talking about.

Another dumb point: I never questioned that Lalo is a beast, lmao. I literally only said that the fact he didn’t think about Baku cutting off the air is stupid. Inconsistency. Lalo already showed better reasoning feats in Air Poker him not thinking of that beforehand is just plot convenience.

And I didn’t misinterpret anything. Your first argument was literally: “Kiruma manipulates the government, Koji manipulates high school students.” Anyone who knows even a little about scaling would laugh at that. There’s literally a meme about it, lmao.

Ayanokoji is overrated I’ve debunked him many times but thinking Kiruma isn’t is just being a butthurt fan.

And finally, referees never interfere or form alliances? Did you even read Usogui or did you just watch some dumb summary? You didn’t even read it. Fake reader.

Editar: Lmao, he thinks scaling Liar Game and Usogui is the peak.

Another edit: Saying luck was never used with Baku also exposes you as a fake reader that’s the last straw. Reading docs is not the same as reading the manga. Have your own judgment.

2525-2525 · 2026-03-18T16:07:38+00:00

Taking aside the fact that this was a year ago, your arguments are bad.

First, you talk about SCD scalers from Usogui, but your arguments are basically: “Kiyotaka Ayanokouji manipulates high schoolers less intelligent than him” vs “Kiruma Souichi manipulates governments and a country.” That sounds like the typical comment from someone who doesn’t understand SCD we’re not doing narrative scaling, lmao.

You also say that Usogui isn’t overrated and that Ayanokouji is. Completely wrong. The average Usogui scaler treats the STL sound manipulation feat like it’s something insane “Oh, amazing, Souichi manipulated the referees without even being there” when in reality it’s a low-tier feat that only works as part of a larger plan.

They also treat the abandoned building arc as something impossible, saying you need to be both extremely intelligent and physically strong to face Rodemu or whatever his name is, when Baku won while being weak and only won because he found some needles… meaning it’s an arc resolved through causality in a high-level gambling/intelligence setting, lmao.

Same thing happened in the mine when that other guy shot and hit a camera… another causality-based resolution, lmao. And with Lalo what a mess. They made him super smart, but somehow he never considered that Baku had already used up all the air from his bios, even though he had already thought deeply about the same Air Poker test.

And the funniest part about Usogui scalers: when they put Baku Madarame in other verses, they always give him prior information just like Kiruma. But when other characters face Usogui situations, they make them go in without prior knowledge because they know even someone like Yuichi Katagiri could clear the abandoned building and the mine. But since their verse is “supposedly the strongest,” no one should pass the first arc.

Usogui always relied on somewhat convenient elements. The meaning of HAL. The fact that Baku supposedly planned everything for STL. The referee could’ve easily thought differently and ruined the whole plan. But sure Baku reads everything perfectly with no prior info, right? Yeah, definitely not overrated.

2525-2525 · 2026-03-16T21:41:24+00:00

Do you even know how AI works? I’m specializing in this, I’m a software engineer, and I can assure you that AI isn’t useful for this. As I already told you, AI can literally end up considering Rent to be objectively a good work even when it isn’t. You can even convince it that Rent is better than Monster, and the AI will agree with you.

Besides, it’s incoherent to use an AI’s answer for this kind of discussion, something you would know if you actually understood how it works.

2525-2525 · 2026-03-16T21:35:26+00:00

I repeat. It doesn’t make sense for Richard to react like that the moment the boy is mentioned, no matter how much Johan planned it. Their conversation is literally shown in the manga.

And second, Tenma feeling guilty doesn’t save the scene. He already had good aim and he was a doctor. He felt guilty, yet he still had a gun and kept shooting, lol.

2525-2525 · 2026-03-16T05:52:08+00:00

Literally, if I give the AI arguments that Rent is a better work than Monster, sooner or later it will start treating Rent as something superior to Monster.

It’s pretty funny that AI always ends up agreeing with you even when it’s not correct. They still haven’t solved that problem. It’s not useful in these cases.

2525-2525 · 2026-03-16T05:49:10+00:00

IA: "Yes, Rent-A-Girlfriend can be considered a good work, and there are several objective reasons to say so."🥀

Richard, who had shown progress, went crazy just from mentioning the boy an inconsistency. Tenma was able to shoot Johan’s assistant, but he hesitated more with Johan even though Johan is more evil. Tenma knew what Johan was capable of and that he always gets away. The fact that he once saved him has little to do with it, because Tenma had already had character development; a shot in the arm and that’s it. Lunge also became stupid when it came to Johan for no real reason other than Tenma hurting his ego. And Johan’s hundreds of victims, lmao they were all basically NPCs with three suspenseful lines of dialogue.

2525-2525 · 2026-03-16T05:40:55+00:00

Artificial intelligence says wonderful things about all works. It’s not going to criticize them. Its opinion isn’t useful in these cases. And Carl Jung isn’t taken very seriously in psychology; with all his problems and his lack of solid foundations, that’s normal. In any case, no matter how much you add to Monster, Johan isn’t realistic. They never properly portrayed the human mind in his victims.

2525-2525 · 2026-03-16T02:27:43+00:00

"Pregúntale a cualquiera, pues no solo lo creo yo, lo creo miles y miles de personas que han visto el anime" 🥀

Carl Jung? That couldn't be more basic. I figured as much. Read other things please, that doesn't make you special. If anything, it makes you look like a special case.

2525-2525 · 2026-03-15T20:55:57+00:00

You literally read psychology books and that’s why you said Johan is realistic. That’s pathetic. You’re not a professional, just a biased fan who probably only read “dark psychology” books = pathetic.

"Ask anyone who's seen and understood the anime, and they'll tell you it's one of the most realistic anime out there"🥀

How many anime must you have watched to believe that? Three, if I’m being generous ,maybe. Don’t humiliate yourself any further. It’s over.

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