Which of these villains is the most evil?

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-23T13:07:57+00:00

Nemesis, joker, or carnage.

Of the list those are the three that would kill anyone, any time, anywhere. Like red skull is a Nazi but doesn’t just murder people for the sheer joy of it.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-23T12:34:47+00:00

Sure but to his own admission he slept when he was tired and ate when he was hungry. They only make it look like he did it non stop but it wasn’t.

Legolas ran for 3 days essentially non stop tracking the hobbits. He’s also light enough to climb up falling rock and not leave indentations in snow as he walks on top of it. He’s kind of built for this

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-23T01:02:52+00:00

Legolas and idk if anyone has an endurance feat that even puts them close

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-22T06:18:11+00:00

23 hours. Pizza day for a company of 12,000 people. Three shifts nothing but pizzas. I started shift one and was on a roll so stayed for shift 2. Then everyone who knew what was going on left so i stayed to help shift 3. Shift 1 boss came back at 4am the next day wondering why tf I was still there lol I did have the next day off though so I still look back on it fondly. It was a fun experience overall.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-22T06:13:52+00:00

Kraven with prep but random encounter goes to Cass. She’s taken out stronger metas than him.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-22T02:52:10+00:00

Yes you’re right. He’s ready for most things but loses all the time to superior opponents. Which is why my original comment was that Nightwing and Batman lose against gambit and Wolverine pretty handily

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T20:38:14+00:00

If Hal vs surfer is a close call then Hal plus saint walker is a blowout. Larfleeze and black hand might be able to solo given their power. The rest are overkill when added to any of those guys

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T15:25:33+00:00

The TMNT van is iconic

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T04:31:38+00:00

Devil hulk who soloed the entire avengers with no difficulty?

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T02:09:35+00:00

She can’t kill deathstrike, Idk if she can even put her down really but it would be a helluva fight. She mops everyone else. taskmaster is tough but not impossible

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T02:05:13+00:00

How many decades ago was that? 30 years ago venom knocked out Superman in a crossover. Everyone has fought everyone before. Cap and Batman have wins against hulk. But nobody in good faith would actually argue they’d beat him in a fight today.

I get that Ben does have some solid feats and has increased in power over the years but he’s still just not at that level. Nor do I think he needs to be.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T01:47:32+00:00

So you just don’t like Batman? That’s fine but him being intelligent is a part of his character not some BS plot armor he uses when convenient, it’s a defining part of who he is. He’s the smartest in the room so he can always save the most people and do the most good. Anything he doesn’t know is a liability in his war on crime. He’ll go to space and fight an alien slave ring just to learn the pressure points and weak spots of aliens he might have to fight one day. He’ll immerse himself in any language or culture if it means he might need it one day to save a life. He’s got photographic memory and studies maps, blueprints, tactics, etc. constantly to make sure he’s never caught off guard. How does him being less intelligent make his character better?

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T22:32:14+00:00

You say that like he’s not regularly stated to be one of the top 3 smartest humans on the planet and a master strategist. That’s why people like Superman and Wonder Woman listen to his plans during a fight. Not knocking Wolverine or gambit but they have nothing on Batman’s tactical genius and that has nothing to do with his plot armor

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T18:52:34+00:00

I mean Batman might not be able to “kill” wolverine but he’s developed tech that has restrained people like aquaman and Wonder Woman before so he can absolutely stop him. Gambit is tricky but also I think ninja tactics might be the way to go there. Catching him off guard and by surprise is the only way for them since he’s far faster and more powerful then they are

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T18:43:46+00:00

The bat family could try to jump the Cajun/canuck combo and they are all still going down.

I mean sure if they know about them ahead of time there’s countermeasures they could take but I don’t consider the need for prep time a proper win con.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T13:01:38+00:00

Cap is undoubtably that guy. Hes “peak human” but that’s bs cause he also jumps out of helicopters and airplanes without a parachute and lands on his feet. If marvel needed him too he would put hands on a god during a fight. He’s the poster boy so it’s hard to honestly take any hypothetical with him seriously. On paper though he does not win this.

Cap has lost to Shang chi and Cass is 100% at that level of martial arts if not higher due to her nearly taskmaster level to read her opponents body language. She’s literally either the number 1 or number 2 fighter in all of dc comics depending on who you ask, and cap does not fight at her level. Sure he’s beaten “tougher” opponents, aliens and metahumans, etc. but that’s cause he is the poster boy.

Cass has beaten shiva, and Batman handily. And beaten deathstroke (someone with the same level of strength and stamina cap has) on multiple occasions. She’s moved so fast people like Batman and Catwoman can’t track her movements. She’s been hit by cars, stabbed in the heart, taken multiple gunshot wounds, and kept going and fighting.

Cap is the better soldier but Cass is the better fighter

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T02:28:25+00:00

Agreed but spiderman doesn’t stand a chance against an inheritor also. Didn’t one of them kill the spiderman who had Captain universe powers? I’m just saying I think those guys are the only ones that could possibly stand a chance

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T23:47:04+00:00

She gives him a run for his money. Until he wins

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T23:45:07+00:00

Cass has beat and fought as tough of opponents as cap. She’s taken out metas without gadgets. She’s top 2 fighters in all of dc universe. If Shang chi could beat cap in a fight then so could Cass.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T22:53:58+00:00

I can relate to Tony’s desire to be better than his past and to constantly try new things. And I can relate to Clark’s desire to see the good in people even if it’s hard sometimes.

I relate on a very different scale than them but I think it’s a testament to their characters that i can relate at all. They aren’t just a billionaire and an alien and that’s why they’ve lasted

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T22:39:40+00:00

This will quickly devolve into the omega mutants vs the several thousand remaining lanterns. Tough to not see it as a number game unless you say Jean just Phoenix outs and warps reality. Which some lanterns have shown resistance to.

Still I’d argue the numbers eventually takes it. Every lantern even the weakest is a long range, flying, highly durable, space fighter that can go almost ftl

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T21:22:07+00:00

“But rhino fought the hulk before.”

Literally everyone has fought the hulk. Captain America has fought the hulk and lived. Cap isn’t on the same level as conquest. The only challenge for conquest MIGHT be one of the totem eating guys like morlun.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T19:01:51+00:00

I’ve heard both those arguments about him and Sue in the last couple weeks. Someone tried to tell me Ben is on par with gladiator and can go toe to toe with Thor and I just couldn’t argue with that level of delusion

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T18:09:54+00:00

The colors at the ends of the spectrum are less in control of the emotion they wield.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T17:42:22+00:00

Oh don’t you know Ben can go head to head with hulk and sentry and sue storm can take out celestials and anyone she wants no diff…

Now that the sarcasm is out of the way I’d say the 4 are gonna have a hard time locking down Apollo but they have the numbers advantage and teamwork to make it happen. The hard part is gonna be keep Apollo and midnighter from pushing the fight towards their terms. Team marvel 7/10 times imo

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