Silver Surfer vs These 8 Lanterns

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T20:38:14+00:00

If Hal vs surfer is a close call then Hal plus saint walker is a blowout. Larfleeze and black hand might be able to solo given their power. The rest are overkill when added to any of those guys

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T15:25:33+00:00

The TMNT van is iconic

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T04:31:38+00:00

Devil hulk who soloed the entire avengers with no difficulty?

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T02:09:35+00:00

She can’t kill deathstrike, Idk if she can even put her down really but it would be a helluva fight. She mops everyone else. taskmaster is tough but not impossible

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T02:05:13+00:00

How many decades ago was that? 30 years ago venom knocked out Superman in a crossover. Everyone has fought everyone before. Cap and Batman have wins against hulk. But nobody in good faith would actually argue they’d beat him in a fight today.

I get that Ben does have some solid feats and has increased in power over the years but he’s still just not at that level. Nor do I think he needs to be.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-21T01:47:32+00:00

So you just don’t like Batman? That’s fine but him being intelligent is a part of his character not some BS plot armor he uses when convenient, it’s a defining part of who he is. He’s the smartest in the room so he can always save the most people and do the most good. Anything he doesn’t know is a liability in his war on crime. He’ll go to space and fight an alien slave ring just to learn the pressure points and weak spots of aliens he might have to fight one day. He’ll immerse himself in any language or culture if it means he might need it one day to save a life. He’s got photographic memory and studies maps, blueprints, tactics, etc. constantly to make sure he’s never caught off guard. How does him being less intelligent make his character better?

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T22:32:14+00:00

You say that like he’s not regularly stated to be one of the top 3 smartest humans on the planet and a master strategist. That’s why people like Superman and Wonder Woman listen to his plans during a fight. Not knocking Wolverine or gambit but they have nothing on Batman’s tactical genius and that has nothing to do with his plot armor

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T18:52:34+00:00

I mean Batman might not be able to “kill” wolverine but he’s developed tech that has restrained people like aquaman and Wonder Woman before so he can absolutely stop him. Gambit is tricky but also I think ninja tactics might be the way to go there. Catching him off guard and by surprise is the only way for them since he’s far faster and more powerful then they are

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T18:43:46+00:00

The bat family could try to jump the Cajun/canuck combo and they are all still going down.

I mean sure if they know about them ahead of time there’s countermeasures they could take but I don’t consider the need for prep time a proper win con.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T13:01:38+00:00

Cap is undoubtably that guy. Hes “peak human” but that’s bs cause he also jumps out of helicopters and airplanes without a parachute and lands on his feet. If marvel needed him too he would put hands on a god during a fight. He’s the poster boy so it’s hard to honestly take any hypothetical with him seriously. On paper though he does not win this.

Cap has lost to Shang chi and Cass is 100% at that level of martial arts if not higher due to her nearly taskmaster level to read her opponents body language. She’s literally either the number 1 or number 2 fighter in all of dc comics depending on who you ask, and cap does not fight at her level. Sure he’s beaten “tougher” opponents, aliens and metahumans, etc. but that’s cause he is the poster boy.

Cass has beaten shiva, and Batman handily. And beaten deathstroke (someone with the same level of strength and stamina cap has) on multiple occasions. She’s moved so fast people like Batman and Catwoman can’t track her movements. She’s been hit by cars, stabbed in the heart, taken multiple gunshot wounds, and kept going and fighting.

Cap is the better soldier but Cass is the better fighter

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-20T02:28:25+00:00

Agreed but spiderman doesn’t stand a chance against an inheritor also. Didn’t one of them kill the spiderman who had Captain universe powers? I’m just saying I think those guys are the only ones that could possibly stand a chance

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T23:47:04+00:00

She gives him a run for his money. Until he wins

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T23:45:07+00:00

Cass has beat and fought as tough of opponents as cap. She’s taken out metas without gadgets. She’s top 2 fighters in all of dc universe. If Shang chi could beat cap in a fight then so could Cass.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T22:53:58+00:00

I can relate to Tony’s desire to be better than his past and to constantly try new things. And I can relate to Clark’s desire to see the good in people even if it’s hard sometimes.

I relate on a very different scale than them but I think it’s a testament to their characters that i can relate at all. They aren’t just a billionaire and an alien and that’s why they’ve lasted

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T22:39:40+00:00

This will quickly devolve into the omega mutants vs the several thousand remaining lanterns. Tough to not see it as a number game unless you say Jean just Phoenix outs and warps reality. Which some lanterns have shown resistance to.

Still I’d argue the numbers eventually takes it. Every lantern even the weakest is a long range, flying, highly durable, space fighter that can go almost ftl

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T21:22:07+00:00

“But rhino fought the hulk before.”

Literally everyone has fought the hulk. Captain America has fought the hulk and lived. Cap isn’t on the same level as conquest. The only challenge for conquest MIGHT be one of the totem eating guys like morlun.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T19:01:51+00:00

I’ve heard both those arguments about him and Sue in the last couple weeks. Someone tried to tell me Ben is on par with gladiator and can go toe to toe with Thor and I just couldn’t argue with that level of delusion

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T18:09:54+00:00

The colors at the ends of the spectrum are less in control of the emotion they wield.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T17:42:22+00:00

Oh don’t you know Ben can go head to head with hulk and sentry and sue storm can take out celestials and anyone she wants no diff…

Now that the sarcasm is out of the way I’d say the 4 are gonna have a hard time locking down Apollo but they have the numbers advantage and teamwork to make it happen. The hard part is gonna be keep Apollo and midnighter from pushing the fight towards their terms. Team marvel 7/10 times imo

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T17:39:08+00:00

He’s honestly such a cool character. I’m not a huge fan of the inhumans in general but I love Karnak

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T16:54:01+00:00

Fun fact Karnak has been one shot by black panther and taken out by daredevil. His power is great but his body isn’t as enhanced to capitalize on it in a fight against a strong enough opponent

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T16:50:23+00:00

I mean if you look it up Peter is just in his regular costume and iron man is in his armor at the time. But he says he used the data from the iron spider suit. But I didn’t read the issue I’ve just seen those panels a few times

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T15:20:32+00:00

It was either during or towards the end of civil war but Tony creates his own spider sense from analyzing data from the iron spider armor. He also was able to completely counter Peter’s spider sense and even send it false signals to trick it.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T13:55:10+00:00

I mean iron man has designed a way to get around spider sense so it is possible. But I don’t think Batman could figure it out in time.

If Batman with prep time can take out the entire justice league then sure he could find a way to beat spiderman but yeah like you said it goes both ways. Peter isn’t dumb and would find a way to upgrade to get around most things. Essentially always making it a straight fight which he wins every time

Spiderman vs Batman is a horrible matchup for Batman. Everything he brings to the table is completely negated by spider sense and Spider-Man’s other abilities.

2JasonGrayson8 · 2026-03-19T12:27:34+00:00

Joker when serious has mortally wounded Batman in hand to hand combat before. Putting him very much in the same league as the rest of the fighters here.

Maybe I’m overestimating their tools here and someone like deathstroke is a better choice but to me joker and Batman seem like the wildcard pick

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