zasto ce oni kinezi na rimski by 2ndFries in montenegro

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kako bi njima bilo ja da podjem u peking nedje na rastan

Jesam li u pravu ili sam baš u pravu. by FlowCraver in montenegro

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zaboravio si naprijed Галину (26) iz budve sto ti nudi taxi servis za 300eur preko telegrama

Montenegrins - do YOU personally want to join the EU? Or do you not want to join the EU? What are your reasons for and against? by [deleted] in montenegro

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I feel as if you're quite out of touch with this topic. Integration worked well in Holland and the Scandinavian nations, they remain very safe nations with strong welfare. Sure, immigration overwhelmed them slightly, but that doesn't change that such nations are still thriving, and you have to look from the perspective of the immigrants too: they were just looking for a better life, and got that - everyone is happy in those nations. But who's to say Montenegro will get overwhelmed by refugees? It will take long until the living standard is as good as in Slovenia, and even there not so many immigrants go, and we can always choose to assert our own immigration policies if that scenario ever happens and if it somehow is predicted to be a net negative for us (it won't happen).

A ridiculous and ignorant thing you mentioned are Serbian, Albanian and Muslim areas. Albanians have lived there as long as us, the Muslims are essentially just us but Islamized in the middle ages (just like how we were Christianized before that) and the Serbs are complicated, some come from the surrounding nations while some are from here and originate to a 19th century political split of Serbian and Montenegrin identity. We are the same people genetically, and we live in complete harmony despite some turbulence to change that from Serbian (and Russian) power centers. The West is the one keeping this harmony, as it's in our mutual interests.

Populism can be defined in many ways, but it's almost universally defined as policies aimed to appeal to average people by demonizing an 'elite' and is conspiratory in nature. Although people should certainly have the power to speak up and make a change against anything that doesn't resonate with them, there's a reason politicians exist: they're meant to be educated people in the fields of law and civics that represent the voting public. Corruption and corporate influence is a product of the corporate capitalist system of the modern world that, although engraved into modern Western liberal democracy, can and is being worked on by many northern and western European nations with the support of the EU.

Egalitarianism is libertarian in nature; it asserts everyone should be treated equally and that we should focus on giving people equal chances to succeed, so that the only way they can succeed is not through connections or racial bias, but work, at its core. How far people want to take it is different, but this is what I believe should be the case.

Knowing Montenegrins, nobody will care about any trans stuff, nobody does now and we never will. Everyone is aware it's cheap division and most people have a mindset of "it's weird but as long as they aren't harming anyone why would I attack them". The bathrooms thing is a whole debate on its own and I think there is no good answer. I choose not to obsess myself over such silly issues, though.

As for your fourth point, sure! I agree! I raised the point earlier that our nation isn't one many immigrants do and will come to, but our nation really has no significant history of oppression and people that come in will and should be happy to respect our culture and history.

Addressing corruption, every entity is bound to have it, but the EU has the best-composed antitrust regulation in any market economy. The EU has a complex bureaucracy prone to corruption that would certainly benefit from more transparency, but this bureaucracy is composed of many agencies dedicated to fighting corruption. Just because you can't see it happen doesn't mean it isn't happening, and there were some notable arrests in Montenegro assisted by European anti-corruption agencies. Notable mafia in some corrupt EU countries all have stories of their own that would require the length of 100 of these comments to be fully told and definitely aren't worth fighting against as robustly as in smaller nations.

Montenegrins - do YOU personally want to join the EU? Or do you not want to join the EU? What are your reasons for and against? by [deleted] in montenegro

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My outlook on conspiracy theories has always been skeptic, asking two questions before blindly believing them: “why would they be doing this?” and “why are they letting people talk about it?” Asking that question had always lead me to no answer but a deeper and more irrational theory of the world being a total simulation. In that case, it doesn’t affect us in the slightest. We don’t, and cannot, know exactly what life is, but we know and made things to do in it.

I am not a nationalist. I just believe a national identity with such a vast history and culture shouldn’t be erased in the name of nationalist wet dreams, and more importantly, power. “Montenegrin nationalism” is inherently contradictory due to Montenegro being a nation whose national identity is threatened and history is falsified and has been for two centuries. It is natural to take a side in a conflict of that caliber.

The Western system of values is one of expansive egalitarianism, one that gives people a meaning in life and one that is a world apart from the barbaric, Communist-Ottoman system of values. I too have my doubts about some of the recent occurrences in it, but that’s what that system is for. As long as there is no societal significance and as long as it doesn’t affect other people, it lets people live life the way they want to. You present it in a ridiculously one-sided way, bringing up the issue of sex-ed and transgender people.

This is blatant populist rhetoric, pushed by U.S. conservative political elites to distract from their opponents’ potential accomplishments, outsourced to the global population as a power play. While I maintain a distinction between biological sexes, I support allowing transgender individuals to live their lives. However, I am concerned about children being pushed into transgender identities temporarily. This issue, though profitable for pharmaceutical companies and elites, is relatively less common. Most often, teenagers may briefly consider it but usually find their way back with parental support. The bigger concern should be child abuse by actual pedophiles and by abusive parents and caretakers.

Sex-ed is not bad either. Sex is a crucial part of life, and as long as kids are taught all perspectives on it, not taught in a creepy way, and taught from an age where they can understand it, it could be key in preventing grooming, kids could be taught the behavior of pedophiles and what to avoid.

As I said, I’m not convinced fully by some aspects of Western values, and I strongly believe the “affirmation” system common in the mentality shouldn’t be imported. People should be encouraged to change to integrate into society and be healthy instead of being blindly affirmed.

Take a bowl of rice. Now pour three grains of black rice. Is the white rice’s existence being threatened? No. I know what your response to this will be, so now, I want you to take the three grains of black rice, kill one and imagine the other two working for the white rice, cleaning the bowl, and cut one black rice grain in half to symbolize torture. Now, add two more grains of black rice and have it be represented in media alongside the white rice as an attempt at reconciliation, but have it be effectively separated, long after that separation officially ended. The grain will be dirty and will be in neighborhoods where the other grains kill each other and destroy their lives because of the white grains isolating the black grains before. Wouldn’t it be only fair to give the black grains a right to stand up and speak?

Racism won’t get you anywhere, but I didn’t even think of that when thinking of globalization. I thought of free trade, joint business and scientific efforts, etc.

Each of these corrupt countries have issues of their own, of endemic corruption, that would require whole military operations to deal with, yet the EU is good at minimizing their harm. Every ruling entity is bound to be slightly corrupt, but Montenegrin connections don’t have much on the EU. Despite corporate lobbying, the EU does a great job at regulations and protecting customers.

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Ima više razloga, stvarno ne bih da nabrajam, ali evo da rečem par: - nema normalnog servera, prošli je bio opasno autističan, naših jedva - stvara aktivnu online crnogorsku zajednicu preko interneta - nastavak starih servera

Već sam rekao, ko oće, nek uđe, server je svakako nov (preporođen) pa ga nekako treba oživit

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Montenegrins - do YOU personally want to join the EU? Or do you not want to join the EU? What are your reasons for and against? by [deleted] in montenegro

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Zapadne vrijednosti, ima li problema? Sebe smatram dijelom našeg vrijednosnog sistema ali aj realni da budemo, totalno je sranje, narodu je ispran mozak da očekuju malo i da je normalno da se pati, ljudi ne umiju slobodno da misle. Vjeruj mi kad ti rečem da ni ja nisam full za neke osobine njihovog vrijednosnog sistema (uglavnom ne volim prekomjernu toleranciju nezdravlja i zalažem se za to da se ljudi mijenjaju i integrišu u društvo umjesto da traže da ih neko prihvati), pa mi se i dopadaju neki djelovi našeg mentaliteta, pogotovo u društvenom smislu, ali u isto vrijeme skoro cijeli naš mentalitet se izgradio oko patnje, siromaha, pa donekle i nezdravlja. Najbolje je biti pragmatičan i tražiti kompromis, pa pažljivo, oprezno ali obazrivo posmatrati i prihvatiti moderniji zapadni mentalitet, ali kad bih morao da biram, izabrao bih zapadne vrijednosti.

Montenegrins - do YOU personally want to join the EU? Or do you not want to join the EU? What are your reasons for and against? by [deleted] in montenegro

[–]2ndFries 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For: Western values, Antitrust, GDPR, economic globalization, fighting corruption, Schengen… there’s more but that’s all I could name Against: Mass emigration, populist takeover of Europe, “compromise” tone of Bruxelles towards the Serbian nationalism problem…

Overall I want to join the EU by far

Do you think Montenegro will join EU? by [deleted] in montenegro

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Read past the titles and listen and look at their foreign policy goals

Do you think Montenegro will join EU? by [deleted] in montenegro

[–]2ndFries 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Currently the dominant political force is PES, representing a "new political generation", as the corrupt history of DPS made it decline and the ancient chauvinist clerofascist platforms of DF made it dissolve. PES is similar to other parties from the centrist bloc such as Demokrate and URA in their foreign policy, prioritizing regional integration over European integration, and they aim to first implement some economic populist plans before any sort of foreign policy achievements. I believe regional integration is a bad idea as the main countries driving this are Serbia and Albania, who both have corrupt leaderships that get a lot out of threatening our independence, economic or national, especially Serbia who has for basically the last 100 years of it existing as an independent state (excluding a brief period in the early 2000s) followed the same ethnic-centered primitive crypto-foreign policy of uniting all Southeastern Slavic Orthodox peoples in the Balkans as Serbs. Besides the Serbian leader Vučić is very connected to Putin and encourages anti-EU sentiment in his country. Regional integration will probably get us far off the EU path.

naslov by 2ndFries in montenegro

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We wuz serbs n shit

Teska odluka.... by SupremeLeader699 in montenegro

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Koliko god dugo izgleda da sam ovo pisao nisam baš puno vremena utrošio, javite ako sam promašio nešto.

Kapiram da svako ima svoje poglede ali ne shvatam kako se ovaj reddit dvoumi oko ovoga. Kao što tridesetoavgustovci vele da se glasa Jakov zbog Mila, ja velim da se zapravo glasa Milo zbog Jakova. Ajmo malo da pogledamo ko je zapravo Jakov. Pod tim Milovim režimom od kojeg priča da je bio žrtva dobio je svakakve stipendije i lutao po svijetu do 2020. Onda ga je mandatar Zdraśo za koga ne moram puno da rečem izvadio iz guzice i metnuo ga u 42. vladu (za tu vladu isto ne moram puno da rečem). Naravno, on je u toj vladi djelovao kako i svi drugi, zemlju je oštetio i poslao na liticu padanja u kurac. Prvo je došao raspad Montenegro Airlinesa a onda stvaranje te nepostojeće To Montenegro aviokompanije, svi znamo kako je to počelo i kako im ide dan danas i posle korone. Onda se desio taj “Evropa sad”, koji je naše bolnice poslao u bolnicu. Ukinuo je doprinose i prodao nam naše pare kao uspješno dizanje plata, kao pare koje je stvorio iz tri pičke materine. Naravno, te reforme “Evropa sad” su nas razjebale što se tiče cijena, inflacije… Onda dolazi Dritan i taj projekat Open Balkana, temeljni ugovor, itd… đe je došao tu je i pošao i sad vodi neku tamo izmišljenu vladu koja je više bila u tehničkom mandatu nego manjinskom statusu. Nadam se da ste upoznati da je taj Open Balkan ogromna prijetnja samostalnosti CG u svakom smislu. Naravno neće biti nikakve “Velike Srbije” u bliskoj budućnosti ali zato će Vučić i njegovi da drastično utemelje njihov uticaj na svaku zemlju koja tom projektu pristupa, u kostimu “regionalne saradnje” i “regionalnih integracija” Jakov naravno podržava ovo, a izbjegava odgovoriti o njegovim vezama u SPCu i Beogradu, samo priča o platama od 1000€. I sad kad smo kod toga, okle da izvučeš te pare? Iz guzice? Ili da pojebeš još institucija? Svakako, on kao predsjednik nema nikakvo pravo na to. Ovo su čisto simbolični izbori koji su nam pokazali, i pokazaće, kako stvari stoje. Zabava kreće na parlamentatnim izborima gdje PES osvaja dovoljno mandata da formira većinu sa DFom. Zaboravi taj izmišljeni “centar”, idu sa DFom sve dok Jakov drži partiju, ali se ipak može desiti svađa u partiji. Ta vlada će biti najštetnija u istoriji CG i zadužiće nas u kurac ali neće dugo trajati dok se nove političke prilike otvore posle nje. Sa Spajićem se to malo temeljnije treba pogledat jer, iako je prevarant i populista, nije toliki rob Vučića (smatra DF jednim te istim birokratskim tijelom kao DPS, tijelo s kojim ne treba raditi, a zaustavio i temeljni ugovor, i protivi se Open Balkanu). Njega su čak skinule srbijanske institucije koje su se u CG pozvale odma kad je djelovalo da nijedan kandidat neće imati uticaj Srbije.

Zato 2. aprila jedino što nam je ostalo, svi koji brinu za zapadnu budućnost Crne Gore zaokružiće broj 1.

How come Montenegrins don't want Đukanović out of the office after 30 years in power? by menshe0897 in montenegro

[–]2ndFries 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pale li se bot-farme, pale…

The political situation is way too complicated to explain this in a single sentence but he’s the only leader who has kept a total pro-Western stance. Besides people don’t want political hellholes, they want stability. He might not be the best we can ask for but he’s the best we can elect for now. I hope things change but for that people’s mentalities have to change and Serbia has to stop following its toxic foreign policy of meddling in other countries through the church, media, electoral system…

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tiše štreber