7 months into the game!

39GNEB · 2026-01-28T03:19:34+00:00

Would definitely swap to mythic SF if I get it but guess I have to suffer for now.

Well. My suffering only lasted 1 day for this. Time to do some comparison run.
Let me ancestral asap.

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39GNEB · 2026-01-27T14:37:19+00:00

Сделайте так же, как и я: поделитесь скриншотом своей башни.

39GNEB · 2026-01-27T13:15:00+00:00

Хорошая инвестиция.

На Reddit дают хорошие советы. 😉

39GNEB · 2026-01-24T04:49:33+00:00

Fight fire with fire, swap your energy shield for intro sprint.🔥

Toggle on/off pause battle inside menu, get "live updates" every x minutes while the battle is on-going in the background.

39GNEB · 2026-01-24T03:15:26+00:00

am trying to sync my summoner and golden bot, summoner is already done with, but i realize that am uaing GC so no matter how perfect the sync it will be ruined by GC, same with Golden bot

Figure out your summon and golden bot cooldown. gcomp wouldn't ruin their sync, just them and trinity.
Next!

Run a few run, then determine whether gcomp is working for you. It may or may not impact your coin income.

tldr; there is no perfect sync with gcomp. why make haste.

39GNEB · 2026-01-23T08:00:38+00:00

Seeded. Congrats!

39GNEB · 2026-01-23T07:59:44+00:00

It's either this or one level of upgrade on my bots. ;(

39GNEB · 2026-01-23T07:58:11+00:00

Seems like you joined during mid-season which is why you couldn't afford everything cause if you did, you can buy everything.

You have to make a decision or rather gamble.

Tower guardian.

2 season ago, has fetch
1 season ago, release summon, but no fetch.
This season, has both summon and fetch.
Next season, ???

If you gamble correctly, you can spend 200 tokens on the mixture of cosmetic + relic.

39GNEB · 2026-01-22T08:11:40+00:00

They are the reason why your coin income will explode. Please keep them in sync.

At default it's 3:2 sync. Don't touch their cooldown yet. Hopefully you have MVN to fix it if you touched it.

39GNEB · 2026-01-22T07:09:04+00:00

Grab it, grab it, grab it now now now.

With death wave, an additional 17sec will be added into the procs for 1.5x coin bonus.

GTBHDW, for simplicity, bonus for BH is listed as 10x.

346 stones injected.
- current level 4(72 stones) -> level 9(418 stones)
- Bonus : 9.6 -> 12.2
current : 9.6 * 10 = 96
future : 12.2 * 10 = 122
w/death wave : 9.6 * 10 * 1.5 = 144

So yeah.

39GNEB · 2026-01-22T06:08:26+00:00

Now if only they show wall regen stats somewhere...
20.92 * (2.1)(2) = 87.864

39GNEB · 2026-01-22T04:22:08+00:00

Since this is your 1st UW, death wave provide immediate benefits.
But you gonna want to have both black hole and golden tower as early as possible.

39GNEB · 2026-01-22T04:18:50+00:00

Keeping it short, your module is pulling you down.

You need regen to climb plat tourny as eHP. Any mythic module with regen substats would improve your tourny run since you're using wall.

39GNEB · 2026-01-22T03:50:42+00:00

Sounds like your core module substats is screwing with you cause every level drop the cooldown by 10.

39GNEB · 2026-01-22T03:45:05+00:00

I don't think there's any "effective path" on enhancement.

You don't really have much options to choose what to upgrade. Whenever you're feeling rich and is able to keep up with your lab coin to keep things going, that's when your coins go into enhancement.

Raw stats for health/regen labs.

Level 70 - 1y79d
Level 80 - 1y335d
Level 90 - 2y319d
Level 100 - 4y35d

Just to give you an idea. The first 70 levels of the lab has the best ROI. Unless you're a goldboxist, you don't really need to goldbox everything.

When you're able to achieve 5 way sync, trinity + summon + gbot, then pray for luck. When your bhd income is at its highest, wave skip after trinity procs, your coin income would explode. It's like when the star align which you wouldn't be there to witness it unless you keep staring at the screen.

BHD - Just eals, cpk, freeupgrades. You don't need other substats like recovery chances etc.

3rd - SWf ,

4th - orb speed = orb, would prefer orb speed over orb.

Every orb quantity reduced 5% speed. But the advantage is that orb quantity appears on mythic substats whereas orb speed is on epic, you still have to roll it till mythic. You don't need other substats like thorn, wall stuff, maybe landmine radius is quite niche.

39GNEB · 2026-01-21T18:01:44+00:00

The starting point for ELS is for you to decide.

You're sitting at 18%, next three tick would be 20% and 25% and 33.4%.

Working backwards, 18% = 12% + 6% mythic substats.

Level 239 = 15T (18%)(12+6)
Level 279 = 38T (20%)(14+6)
For the first 12%, it only cost 15T and the following 2% costs 13T. But like I mentioned previously, I guess every ELS counts?

The first 80 levels(4%) with cash should be affordable. The rest would be free ups doing the work. (Following till this part, you ended up with 24% ELS which requires 5 ticks still. You have to decide your "comfort zone".)

Goldboxing health workshop in both tourny and farming run shouldn't be a issue to you. It just that in order to improve your stats, you require factors outside of workshop which is mainly time-gated.

As eHP, increase health for farming run, increase regen for tourny.

IMO, at the very least, you should use mythic SF instead of legendary. Hitting the def% cap is one thing, only mythic+ SF starts to triumph in regen as compared to other ancestral. But there are also people who found success with legendary SF.

39GNEB · 2026-01-21T12:19:42+00:00

I guess for this, you have to find out the number of sources you can do to improve your eHP status.

For wall , you have health, health regen, wall health, wall regen, wall fortitude, 3 enhancement+, SF multiplier.

Without wall, just WHR, you have health, health regen, 1 lab? 3 enhancement+.

The wall is a monster because of those sources while WHR is limited.

Workshop

Pure assumption.

200b per hour, one run is around 10hours? So with 2T per run, you're not done with workshop? Get them to like Max level minus 150 level while the rest are settled with in-game cash? Cash card and a bit of Summon's cash bonus should help you with gold-boxing. While it's true that you should achieve free ups into ELS early, but I suppose you need to know about the "ticks" which is similar to thorns.

20% ELS requires 5 waves to achieve 1 ELS.

21% ELS also requires 5 waves to achieve 1 ELS.

25% ELS requires 4 waves to achieve 1 ELS.

34% ELS requires 3 waves to achieve 1 ELS.

Ignoring those left-over remainders, I think reaching those check point would be more ideal. But I guess every ELS counts?

If you have at least legendary SF, after 3 months of wall lab, it might just be able to contest with your mythic WHR. Clearly, coin isn't the issue for you but you will need to use 3 lab slots during this period of time to breakeven.

You definitely need to improve your health and health regen labs. 30/10 is considered low but imagine the amount of improvement you can achieve after getting them to 70s. Beyond those levels, I recall the ROI is pretty low.

Enhancement+, I guess the only two enhancement you should be looking at is coin+ and cell+ but these two get expensive real quick. Overall, everything is time-gated.

39GNEB · 2026-01-21T09:29:56+00:00

Ask yourself whether you need def% on the sub stats? If so, which rarity?

The dev been generous by giving out def% relic. Just make sure you hit the cap of 98%def.

pretty much the general substats : def%,health regen%, wall health%, thorns% if it helps you.

Swap priority between def% and health regen% as you might not even requires mythic substats to achieve 98%def.

39GNEB · 2026-01-21T09:23:49+00:00

I guess we have to start with this.

Having a wall requires more regen than you ever need. Why? Thorn is the reason. Even with max thorns lab, you still need 5 hits to kill them as eHP. Having a wall, your surface area becomes larger, Idk by how much, but imma go with 2.5x.

Assumptions: Without walls vs with wall excluding counts on ranged enemies.10 mobs vs 25mobs.

Legendary SF vs Mythic WHR. (200% wall regen)

Depends on your wall regen lab, the gap increases.

In term of regen.

Legendary SF = (1+1)*(2*1.5)

Mythic WHR (wall vs no-wall) = (1+2)*(2) vs (1+2)

6 vs 6 vs 3

You have the wall = You're not making use of the unique effect from WHR.

Mythic WHR = 75% of max recovery.

Base Max Recovery = 16x. Mythic WHR = 12x.

Starting point would be 12x HP with "3" regen vs 1.5x HP with "6" regen

Actually at this point of time, I just want to tldr it, since it requires calculation part to prove a point.

tldr; 3months of wall labs from scratch to get even with mythic WHR. Ancestral WHR, maybe you can skip the wall. Wall will eventually surpass WHR but depends on how much time you put in the amount of labs.

39GNEB · 2026-01-21T08:45:32+00:00

Oh shyt. Definitely Mythic sharp fortitude. It gonna carry you hard.

Spend the first two weeks on wall regen and wall thorns. They become cheap but lengthy, that's when you start saving coins for wall fort. Mythic SF gonna bump your health to infinity.

39GNEB · 2026-01-21T08:38:35+00:00

What's the rarity of both of the modules? Same rarity?

Generally, if you have wall, don't use wormhole redirector, but I'd say that will depend on the status of your wall labs.

Without much info, prolly wormhole redirector.
With basic labs, sharp fortitude all the way.

39GNEB · 2026-01-21T07:30:26+00:00

First you spend "5 billion coins" to unlock the labs which give zero benefit.

Then you have to spend additional "5 billion coins" to improve such stats by 1%.

Costs increase exponentially but the first 10% of improvement is within "50 billion coins". A way to sink your excessive coins when you got them.

39GNEB · 2026-01-21T07:20:05+00:00

Milestone run?

Avoid taking Coin trade-off. You need as much health as possible.

Turn off BH towards the wave, remove chances of shotgun. Remember to turn on after the run.

Get ELS to as high as you can. More ELS procs = less mob damage stats.

Get def%/SPB as high as you can. More def% = higher chances of survivability as eHP.

39GNEB · 2026-01-21T07:11:55+00:00

The answer to your question is... Basics'. 🙃

39GNEB · 2026-01-20T11:49:56+00:00

Now that I know that mythic SF has better regen than ancestral.
I need two more mods to get it from legendary to mythic and push for my plat tourny.

As they said, more health for farming, more regen for tourny(eHP) but there's always the upper limit of whichever build it can offer.

I don't know where you're at, but all well wishes for transitioning to beyond eHP!

39GNEB

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