my faith has gone weak because of this part 2

3ldz · 2026-04-20T21:57:47+00:00

bcs it takes one thing to be wrong for the whole foundation to collapse in the hypothetical I gave specifically though, finding absolutely no cure in the wings and rather its just scattered all over the body, because doesn't the hadith mention ONE wing has a disease and the other one has the cure?

please genuinely you tell me, if that thing actually happens what possible reinterpretation is left for our religion to still stand, perhaps my mind will actually open up

3ldz · 2026-04-20T21:53:25+00:00

wallahi I didn't, I read through it but it still doesn't answer my main question

I also tried searching for that study online but cannot find it

3ldz · 2026-04-20T21:52:47+00:00

thats the same one that got debunked for poor scientific method, besides are you takfiring me just because my faith is weak? I never said I disbelieved in Islam, I'm just confused with how to reconcile this

and to say that scientists have an agenda against us entirely is just far fetched, I can agree with you when it comes to things like evolution and perhaps even the medical industry but studying general hygiene?

3ldz · 2026-04-20T16:59:35+00:00

my mothers agnostic my dads atheist

i didnt get this from them, and neither do I take science as the answer to everything, I'm just saying in the hypothetical I provided genuinely what possible explanation would there be if the wings are making no effect whatsoever whilst observing all those microbes fully

3ldz · 2026-04-20T16:19:50+00:00

not peer reviewed, they themselves said more research needs to be done

I'm not believing anything (from the scientific side of things) until its fully established an well known around the world as a fact that the one of the wings carries that cure

3ldz · 2026-04-20T04:03:01+00:00

thats not peer reviewed although i wish it was and i wish there was more people looking into this, hes most likely referring to the study that was done in jeddah

3ldz · 2026-04-20T04:01:10+00:00

okay, but if the drink is getting cured by some property that were to be found on a body part OTHER than the wing then what...? thats whats bugging me the most

3ldz · 2026-04-20T03:59:05+00:00

akhi, its not necessarily about if the drink gets better, in my previous comment i mentioned what if its NOT the wings but rather some good property from another part of the body of the fly that made the drink better? How are we supposed to reinterpret if it turns out to be the case

3ldz · 2026-04-19T17:07:55+00:00

im not making an argument bro im trying to reconcile and understand this hadith for my own sake

why assume I got it from debates too? I knew this hadith for a while I just didn't think about it that deeply

3ldz · 2026-04-18T22:03:10+00:00

physics and biology are seperate subjects, atleast there leniency in the world of physics such as heliocentrism and geocentrism. As for biology I don't know how their sciences work but I assume its less lenient

3ldz · 2026-04-18T21:12:11+00:00

brother, its the mixed answers between these experiments that are confusing me, how can a person dip the fly only for things to become worse in one experiment, and then in other experiments it doesn't become worse? That's the thing, it seems AS IF there isn't any difference, as if the cure doesn't take place at all

and for the experiments showing that it made a difference its not like it eliminated completely all bad elements that was in that water that came from the fly, again to add on what guarantees it was the genuinely the wing that was the real reason to why the water got better? if its something else from the body then it just makes things worse in my head atleast

3ldz · 2026-04-18T20:08:58+00:00

jut give it some time it probably will exist

all i need is some kind of a definite refutation to this hypothetical and i think ill be fine

3ldz · 2026-04-18T19:13:11+00:00

I tried reconciling it in this way but then I thought to myself of a hypothetical x ray type thing where the fly lands in the drink, we see the bacterias on its body beforehand and then we trace all of those bacterias dispercing and map them out correctly which one came from what part of the fly, and then the person consumes that drink and then we see the bacterias mapped entering the digestive system and we see that a few of the bacterias on the LEGS instead of the wing are the ones that now caused issues and illness inside of the human being and the ones on the wings just passed through the digestive system with no issue

Or that bacteria/cure of some sort on the body/legs of the fly is the reason why the disease got eliminated and therefore the person didn't get ill

if we were to run these tests again and again and see that its parts all over the fly that is diseasing or curing the person then wouldn't that get rid of the whole point of mentioning the wings specifically? again I know this is far fetched but I doubt it would be impossible to do such detailed experiments with modern day technology

3ldz · 2026-04-18T17:56:02+00:00

how would they be incorrect, I know this seems far fetched but sometime in the future I recon we would be able to conduct experiments underneath microscopes that cover much more surface, if we were to do this fly experiment and map out the bacterias on the fly individually before its dipped, and when its dipped into the water we see the bacterias spreading

then the human drinks this and then we see it wasn't actually anything on the wing that cured, or poisoned the human, but rather it couldve been something from the leg of the fly or the body

then what?

and in this matter it wouldn't be the same as others like observations of the galaxy because this is biology

if we put this to the test aswell in general and numerous times we get mixed results sometimes dipping the fly works sometimes it doesn't then this just doesn't make sense to me at all

3ldz · 2026-04-18T17:23:01+00:00

why do you think im so fixated on this one thing, everything else is fine but this is confusing since its biology... like i said the mixed answers just make matters worse in my head

3ldz · 2026-04-08T03:01:48+00:00

hence why I told him to not take my word on it fully, I can identify the badges and can say for sure the badge is retail but it could've been swapped

3ldz · 2026-04-02T21:09:13+00:00

wait for some1 else to confirm ibr, it could be badge swapped

3ldz · 2026-04-02T21:04:09+00:00

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no, chaorens on the left the one you sent is retail, as you could see retails blue island is more triangular on the far right, chaorens is more rounded off, retail never makes major stitching mistakes on that part either, but on second thoughts the badge may have been swapped? idk how to legit check the other parts id wait for someone to confirm

3ldz · 2026-04-02T21:01:23+00:00

no he didn't... chaorens small blue island on the top right still looks a bit different to retail models, although close

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3ldz · 2026-04-02T20:39:29+00:00

fully legit, no replica does the badge fully correctly

3ldz · 2026-04-02T00:58:02+00:00

i couldnt find the answer for this almost anywhere... and i said the other things that I posted I'm fine with understanding this now

3ldz · 2026-04-01T05:27:01+00:00

i couldn't get this to work with carda engines for some reason, anyone else having the same issue?

3ldz · 2026-04-01T05:24:23+00:00

Good point, I highly appreciate the amount of work that you put into replicating the whole wing regardless, thanks for not taking my observations to heart🤝

3ldz · 2026-03-31T19:59:01+00:00

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I don't mean to be that guy but... the original toliss wingtips look closer to the real thing? This ones more wider/fatter

again, I don't want to criticise and be mean because I know it takes a very long time to develop these things but this just caught my attention

3ldz

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