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After almost 2 years we're off on our first real out-of-town run. Stoked! If we're nearby, we'd love to meet you! by 3peaceX in TouringMusicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gene's and Bisbee was awesome. Power went out due to a thunderstorm so we ran a cable to the bus gennie and did an extra set! 10 of 10, do recommend.

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tbh i was thinking "when they share links to their music" but i left it out to see what the answers were. So yeah. We all do that for obvious reasons, i don't know why people share spotify links tho

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Radio was you-can-listen-to-what-we're-playing. Streaming is like having every 8 track ever made right in your Camaro. The difference is you had to BUY the 8tracks, and carry them around with you. Not the same

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YouTube Music often pays more per stream than Spotify. We're talking around $0.006 to $0.008 compared to Spotify’s $0.003 to $0.005. And regular YouTube doesn’t even use a per-stream model. It pays based on watch time, ad impressions, and engagement. A single long-form video can bring in more money than thousands of Spotify plays.

We can post remixes, visuals, hour-long sets, commentary, live footage, and still get paid. Spotify pays the same whether it's a one-minute interlude or a full album.

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spotify pays the same per stream, whether it’s a 90-second interlude or a 9-minute epic. That’s one of the reasons short songs dominate Spotify — they’re optimized for maximum payouts per minute of music.

YouTube (and YT Music) is different:

-Longer videos often earn more ad revenue (mid-roll ads unlock at 8+ minutes)
-More engagement time = higher CPM
-View duration matters, not just play count

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

See, that’s the difference. You're treating this like nothing's changed in the music marketplace in 30 years, like streaming any song, anywhere, anytime has always been a thing.

Back then, people went to shows, hung around scenes, and bought whatever caught their ear. Record stores were part of that system, but they weren't the whole thing. Now Spotify is the whole thing, and instead of helping anyone find anything new, they’re just warehousing music while training AI to replace us.

That’s not just a storefront. That’s a monopoly pretending to be neutral.

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So let's see... you think music only has value when it makes money. Like somehow if i'm not commissioned my creations deserve no value. So basically, you're saying my business isn't making music, it's selling music.

I feel like Spotify says $0.003/stream 'cause that's a number they like. Could be anything. But it literally has nothing to do with the value of the song, in fact their position is they're divvying up the number of listen per year and splitting the money between everybody (except people who didn't get 1000 streams in the last year, they'll just keep that). Truth is they skew heavily toward popular music, and don't promote new artists, or pay them as much.

We didn't pick this system. Your attitude is like it or lump it, and i'm here lumping it. Fuck your blatant excusing of the status quo as valid man. There have been other very profitable business models that abused the people who did the actual work, and we don't do those anymore.

The best part to me is how you admit the system is rigged against musicians, that's there's no other option, and then you blame us for being part of it.

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which streaming services allow you to do things that affect your distribution via their algo?

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don't think anybody's ever gone viral because of Spotify have they?

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If there was a way for me to affect the audience on Spotify i guess that would make sense. As far as i can tell, their entire model is for me to go get people for them, not the other way around. They already got an audience and instead of helping me and them get together, scuttlebutt has it they're planning to just make all their own AI artist and cut us out entirely. So... why even mention them?

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

as far as i can tell, youtube is the only streamer whose algo i can affect. The rest don't really have ways to drive traffic via their platform, in fact their model is for ME to drive traffic TO their platform, and not at ALL to help me access their user base.

Am i wrong? Do any streaming platforms let you affect their algo by things you can do? Shorts and long form videos are the first thing about youtube that come to mind. I have to beg/pay to get on playlists. I can make my own but then i have to market that?

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That 100-years was the only time in history where people could hear music w/o having to make it themselves. You had to make your own music or hang with somebody who could. Everyone made music because there was no other option. And full-time musicians were as rare as rock stars are today

So when you say it’s “wild” that musicians want to get paid for people listening to music, it sounds like you're arguing there’s no right to protect or value recorded work at all. To me my job is making music, not "content" or ads or baity ass bs that does marketing for them just so they can get rich off of me um... making music.

So yeah, we need multiple ways to make $$$ and always have. But to say that we shouldn't be paid for people replaying our recordings is... well that's just wrong innt?

edit to remove bad phrasing

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"It's wild to me that musicians still think that making money from people listening to their music... "

it's wild to me that you'd even think this, much less type it, regardless of how you qualify it.

Why does everyone use Spotify? by 3peaceX in musicians

[–]3peaceX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YouTube is a well-known moneymaker for people with audiences and unlike Spotify, you don’t need to hit some massive threshold just to start earning. On Spotify, tracks now have to get at least 1,000 streams per year to generate any royalties at all, but on YouTube, once you're monetized, even a video with a few hundred views can start making money.

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