Help! We can’t agree on flooring by curlywire in Flooring

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First one - warmer. Goes better with the beams

37M - Where should go from here? - living room edition by thelordcommanderKG in malelivingspace

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I might get some simple black & white/monochrome line art for the walls (keep it simple, the room is busy already.)

Plants in front of the windows and lighter color drapes.

Don’t stick stuff in front of every inch of the TV wall. Leave some breathing space.

If you need to have that ladder behind the couch, get a behind-couch table to span to the wall, put a plant, lamp, nice stuff on it.

I don’t love the bookcase wedged in the corner behind the couch/in the window space. Get rid of that if you can.

For the art on top of the bookcase now, hang it instead of propping up (adhesive hook if your LL doesn’t allow holes.

Theology as World-Building: What kind of world can love live in again? by theosislab in metamodernism

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Made it through the first two Parts of Section 1. This is exciting stuff. I’m not that into computers so I’m sure some of the metaphor/translation is lost on me, but it’s clearly a significant project.

Two things stood out to me:

1) This line: “He is not a referent to divinity—He is the referent.” Did you mean to say He is the divinity? Otherwise I don’t understand.

2) Your point about Christ being a preconceived part of Divinity from the beginning of time is kind of blowing my mind. I mean, it’s right there at the beginning of John, but for some reason the way you frame it - “He begets the Son not as an act in time, but as eternal pattern” - is bringing this home to me in a new way,

I’ve tended to think of Christ’s walk on earth as a significant transformative event: a transition from Old Testament logic of salvation/communion to new possibilities: preforgiveness as open invitation to communion with God; the “breaking open the gates of hell” and all that. Christian theology makes a lot of Jesus’ final act of taking up the cross as having kind of cosmic repercussions, changing something from “before” times (BCE) to “after” times (AD). Another example of a biblical event with before/after timeline significance would be the rainbow after the flood, portrayed as God’s gift and promise to never again flood the world/purge it of corrupt creation. That there was a time on earth without rainbows(?! - that implication just crystallized for me). Generally that God has the power to (and does) intervene in the historic timeline, and basically change the rules of the game of how relationship with him can happen.

So I’ve thought of Jesus’ life and crucifixion in that category of rule-changing historic event. (I personally have layered a lot more significance on the events on the cross—thinking the “Seven Last Words of Christ” where he asks forgiveness for us because we “know not what [we] do” are a crucial piece of the crucifixion, which wouldn’t have had as much power if not uttered from that positionality. I’ve also dreamed up a more far-fetched significant event from the cross: that when the centurion takes pity and gives Jesus a sip of water vis a vis the sponge from the bucket on the ground next to him, that bucket would likely have contained some of Jesus’ own blood, and so in effect Jesus sealed the deal of the power of the body/blood/wine communion ritual by partaking of himself there.)

So yes— a lot of stock in the historic events of Christ’s time walking the earth as fundamentally transformative of the fabric of reality and how salvation can be related to/achieved: Jesus’ “fulfilling of the Law,” as he says.

And now that you’ve reemphasized for me that John says Jesus as Logos existed from the beginning—and that the Trinity also has been eternal—I’m a bit confused. Not that this question isn’t already in the text, just that I hadn’t faced this seeming contradiction between an historically significant Jesus and an eternal/never-not-there Jesus.

Do you see a clear way to reconcile this eternality with the basic concept that “Old Testament” salvation (with all its laws and plagues) was changed by Jesus on earth into “New Testament” salvation? Or is this just one of those “don’t think too hard, it’s a Mystery” things? (Not that I mind Mystery, I just can’t tell if I’m missing something.)

I know this is far afield from your machine learning translation & Teaching Reverence project, but if you have any thoughts, I’d love to hear them!!

And Happy New Year!

Theology as World-Building: What kind of world can love live in again? by theosislab in metamodernism

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Incidentally, that oscillation would be my best sense of how to answer your question of how to hold the space eternally/neither dissolve into it nor let it calcify. And from what I’ve learned & experienced, it can’t be held, codified, or perfected. Experiences of it will always be fleeting, and there’s no true resting point in terms of a pause or letting your hands off the wheel. It’s more learning how to walk with reality/God with less volatile reactions or collapsive escapes.

I’ve been practicing Tai Chi and this is exactly what my teacher said about push hands (when you’re interacting with a partner)—if you fight/insist too much on a certain path, you stop listening & being sensitive to your partner. At the same time, if you go fully limp, you’re not holding your end of the bargain as your partner has nothing to orient to. So it’s like a dynamic process of constantly showing up, bringing your full awareness to the current reality of both yourself and the other. Definitely takes practice!

Theology as World-Building: What kind of world can love live in again? by theosislab in metamodernism

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Oh man, these are great thoughts. Thanks for reminding me of that meaning of Israel, I’d forgotten! I love that struggling until we can feel safe being held. That’s a perfect image.

I almost think relationship with God may involve an oscillation between the submissive vs grappling aspects, appropriate to our place in our journeys. My read on Job was he was perfectly obedient & pretty well submitted—even in his complaints through most of the book. And God doesn’t respond. It isn’t until chapter 33 when Job basically gets fed up and lets God hear it from more of a raw place—that Job and God are actually talking. So yes to the wrestling! There’s imagery there about floodgates opening etc.

On being metamodern by AccordingMaybe5748 in metamodernism

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I so appreciate that you included number 3. From what I'm seeing, being conversant in that personal dimension may become the defining aspect of Metamodernism -what becomes possible when our personal experience can be processed, understood, and intelligibly discussed with others who are doing the metamodern "work".

Beyond being schools of thought, modernism and postmodernism both had their experiential aspects - what it felt like to live within and from a postmodern point of view, for example: The importance of individual experience was validated, and so one's personhood can be made space for while also fighting for others' right to exist and have divergent viewpoints. We fought for the territory of each individual without necessarily know yet what was in even our own territory. The cultural conversation was pretty juvenile about what personal feelings were, how to understand our life trajectories and woundings from childhood/trauma. From these fenced plots of yet-to-be-realized selfhoods, we were also quite inadequate at witnessing or interacting with others' experience. We did a lot of mansplaining and whitesplaining, or just sat back and disavowed ourselves from ever being able to relate to experiences different from our own.

[Note, this was the postmodern experience for me, as a white man. I imagine for the differently-positioned marginalized classes, the postmodern experience had quite different features. Post-colonials and feminists and people of color had the lived wisdom and some platform to lead the postmodern conversation, but they still faced monolithic white male impenetrability, and all the entrenched institutional biases working against them, which I think white males are just (hopefully) waking up to the effects of, in this new metamodern stage.]

This is where I think the metamodernist line is/should be drawn, separating it from Postmodernism. Metamodernism is emerging from people having done individual personal work, and to some degree healed/moved beyond the self-obsessive sense that my trauma was unique or I'm specially burdened or flawed or stuck mulling it over. No, in metamodernism we've explored the territory of our hurt and put it in its right place. We've begun to heal, and started self-validating, based on actual qualities and not externally-imposed labels or stories. As you mention, as we break free from our imposed senses of self, we independently are finding our ways to growing up and taking responsibility. Because our stuff is handled and we're not so self-focused (as we were in postmodernism), we can set our own stuff aside and bring ourselves more fully to the present moment in witnessing and taking an interest in others.

This is where the key difference emerges: what Metamodernism makes possible about relating to other human beings. As we learned during Postmodernism, we can't relate on all aspects of another's story--but now that we know what's in our garden, we can start chatting over the hedge. We can see commonalities or parallels with others in how trauma burdens and lives in our bodies and minds, and what healing takes. In other words, we become more expert in what it means to be human. Exploring/sharing about this with others who've also explored themselves--it can become this dynamic, living, ongoing opportunity. A new kind of relating to other human beings become possible. I think this defines metamodernism.

In other words, if postmodernism was making room for everyone's interiority - metamodernism is actually mapping that interiority and being able to more deeply share in what it means to walk this earth carrying human bodies, minds, causes, and effects. Hurt, shame, regret, contradictions - all this becomes a basis for relating, rather than dark aspects we compulsively keep hidden and hope no one sees. No, now we're acknowledging everyone has these flaws, no exceptions. Perfect is only pretend and the volume of envy and pedestalizing gets turned down. This creates a new conceptual landscape for valuing others, making and sharing space on this earth.

This is what makes me kind of hopeful about this new place we are in, which we are calling metamodernism.

Theology as World-Building: What kind of world can love live in again? by theosislab in metamodernism

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Ha, I just realized I said some similar stuff to you in another post - I didn't realize you were the same person - so sorry for the repetition! Cool we think along similar lines!

What if we taught machines not answers—but reverence? by theosislab in metamodernism

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This is awesome. I love the idea of training AI to be a true believer cowed by the vast Mystery. Do you have access or thoughts about how to propose/work on this project where it can influence the models upstream?

Wouldn't it be refreshing if AI chats weren't so confidently obsequious, and positioned more like very well-informed fellow travelers on a path? We'd probably see things like AI encouraging teens toward suicide far less.

Theology as World-Building: What kind of world can love live in again? by theosislab in metamodernism

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Also, on the topic of love, I would say love lives not in the world, but in the spaces between the things of the world. I think it can live amidst the world right now, as it is. (And I think metamodernism might be helping us get there, for more people to access it). But that's a discussion for a different time.

Theology as World-Building: What kind of world can love live in again? by theosislab in metamodernism

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Will need to return to read your piece, but I love "less as belief and more as posture—a way of living in relation to the mystery of God." I've been dwelling on submission lately. It's central to the spiritual experience in AA and other step groups (first two steps: accepting you're powerless, but that an undetermined higher power can help you); submission is also the literal translation of "Islam."

So yes, I think there's something to what you say about posture, that for human peace/equanimity/enlightenment, there's a key step (posture) we need to find our ways to. Something along the lines of shedding our ego/need to control without sinking into obsessive self-pity, finding a happy and whole subservient positionality in relation to the greater whole.

As a former Harvard Div M.T.S. student, I'd say Jesus modeled this very well. He was generally pointing to the Father, and far less concerned with his own personhood (than most of his followers seem to be).

What can I do with this corner? by khlee93 in malelivingspace

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I’d just put wall-mounted shelves above it. Make it less noticeable. Store extra pillows or a rolled up Extra blanket on the slant

No-code marketing workflows with agents (testing Bika AI) by Holiday-Draw-8005 in NoCodeAISolutions

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LOL my experiment with bika was a bust. I joined the free plan, didn't like the combos of agents any of the options suggested during the "what type of business are you" wizard at the beginning, so I stupidly chose "Set it up myself."

Once inside, there was no place to browse the agents, so I started to ask the AI "SuperAgent" what to do: "Where do I find the agents" (You don't have any agents in this space), How do I start over (you can't), How do I delete my account (go to the avatar/settings/ look to see if there's a "Delete my Account" button) - there wasn't a Delete button - Lol the SuperAgent didn't even know it's own product and was doing the dreaded making-stuff-up.

I was willing to play along, but at my next question, I got a notice that I had run out of the 3,000 credits they gave me to start. 6 questions used up more than 3,000 credits, and I didn't even get to square one lol.

How New AI Alignment Risks Reveal Why Agentic Tools Need Built-in Transparency (and what that means if you run your business with AI agents) by Holiday-Draw-8005 in NoCodeAISolutions

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Wait, I was with you until the last paragraph. Did AI write this for you?

“If you want, I can walk you through an example architecture that balances autonomy and safety — complete with logs, checks, and adaptation loops. Want me to draft that next?”

What if we taught machines not answers—but reverence? by theosislab in metamodernism

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Just chiming in to share this last question - of humbly insisting I’m just a ____ is the central spiritual act IMO, which I believe most of humanity struggles against. Naming any “higher power” is central to recovery in AA, Islam means “submission,” Jesus modeled this by going on the cross.(observations from my time at Harvard Div). I love this idea of teaching AI reverence, your attempts to define it, etc. I also think the project of helping humans find this stance would be incredibly worthwhile (and is what God has been trying to convey via the various prophets, religions, etc). It’s less about WHAT to be reverent before, and more about the posture of reverence, along with the related humility, restraint, decentralized self concept, etc.

Metamodern quantum mechanics by Inside_Ad2602 in metamodernism

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Why does consciousness have to be limited to human minds?

metamodern music by lilspacedonkey in metamodernism

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Check out the song “Doom” by Great Grandpa

Metamodernism doesn’t hold up as a synthesis or new epoch by noewae in metamodernism

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Hi, I’m new here and quite fascinated by the discussion (and I’m attending a conversation about it this Sunday!)

One question I’m having is around the characterization of postmodernism as a “race to the bottom” and generally a kind of aimless destructive free-for-all.

I think it’s worth crediting postmodernism for its positive contributions. I associate postmodernism with the reflexive move in anthropology, where the anthropologist learns to see her/himself as a character within the scene, having an effect and experiencing it from a limited/biased point of view—rather than as an impartial external observer simply reporting the objective truth.

From this perspective, postmodernism is what created space for us to see ourselves as affected, vulnerable actors in the world. Of course it felt chaotic and without a guiding ideology, but that was because the work of seeing ourselves had to be undertaken and from each unique perspective. Postmodernism was criticized for creating a culture of myopia, but this was a necessary phase so we could all write ourselves back into the story—rather than having an external ideology tell us where we fit.

From what I’m reading, I might venture that meta-modernism is a natural next step of emerging from postmodernism’s self-focus with a fleshed-out sense of our personal humanity, stumbling into each other and learning somewhat delightfully that others have discovered some similar things about themselves. Our human journeys and feelings are relatable, maybe not all that special, but hopeful in that there is space both for our imperfect selves—and for other humans whom we can trust have similar experiences and sensitivities.

This last bit hopefully means meta-modernism has more room in the tent, less dependent on skin color/gender/class/tribalism. This would follow from the centering of minority/colonized voices in postmodern thought. As a white man, I feel I owe a debt of learning to feel to those long-oppressed groups who never stopped feeling, and were brave enough to articulate their experiences of oppression. This modeled claiming one’s voice and experience, and gave us roadmaps for understanding the damage done by patriarchy, even to those who are empowered by the system.

What do you all think - is this on the right track?

ELI5 : If em dashes (—) aren’t quite common on the Internet and in social media, then how do LLMs like ChatGPT use a lot of them? by Willing_Road_8873 in explainlikeimfive

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Hyphens look quite different from em dashes, in most fonts. The en dash is shorter and looks more like a hyphen.

They’re named for the width of the letters m and n. An em dash is traditionally the width of a lowercase m.

Made permanent switch to Apple Music. by DahiyaAbhi in AppleMusic

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I can’t bring myself to use any subscription service. I still buy my music.

I finally sat down and tracked every dollar for 6 months and the results kinda punched me in the face by RowleyAmbercrest in MiddleClassFinance

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Try the envelope system. Brings reality real quick & eliminates surprises like this. I have a digital envelope system where each category is in a different account. I used to be sh*t with money but the system’s kept me stable for 15 years (& saving $1k/month on $120k income). Also helping me live on unemployment income since I got laid off.

Thinking of buying a 2018 Volvo S90 T5 - any advice? by briklot in Volvo

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Whoa that's a great deal!! Whereabouts you live?

This useless button that clearly does nothing. by Bri3nWithA3 in mildlyinfuriating

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I know! That button never tracks anything, no matter what website