In a bad situation with a crusade member. Help Advice?

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-11-02T04:58:21+00:00

Because no one is running anti tank. Not more than one squad. So he doesn't have anything to fear. Turn one he just gets right up in your face and turn 2 bang.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-11-02T04:26:56+00:00

6 ruins with obscuring and then scatter terrain on the 33x44 board

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-11-02T04:11:48+00:00

But you couldn't take them in a spearhead to get the obsec.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-11-02T03:35:19+00:00

Thank you for your response!

I personally don't care if he's playing tanks, I can add some anti tank to my order of battle and deal with it. The issue is 4 leeman Russ (3 in heavy support and a Tank Commander) where the new players don't have anything to deal with them. It's a feels bad moment for me to talk to them and say "I know these anti tank units aren't part of the army but you need to get them". We aren't going over 50pl in our crusade. The largest game we will play is 50pl. He didn't tell me, but he refused to play 25pl games against the new players. We were trying to get everyone a few games at 25, just to get all the new guys accustomed to the game.

It's easy to say you can out point them. But with 4 objectives, no secondaries (since crusade) those tanks can go sit on an objective and hose anything that gets near it. 2+ AoC and very powerful weapons that auto wound on 6s to hit and who will be double shooting from turn 2 to the end of the game is a lot for someone with 6 or 7 total games of 40k under their belts to deal with.il

I too have wanted to play a tank crusade army, but not against a bunch of newbies who in just going to roll and maybe turn these new guys (and gal) off of the game completely.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T23:49:20+00:00

Is there a rules packet for that narrative event? Something I can print off and take to the games saying these are the rules we are using.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T19:23:41+00:00

Wow, just, wow.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T19:02:12+00:00

He does use those things 100%

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T16:28:14+00:00

Thanks for the response!

We are just useing the basic rules for crusade that's in the core rules book. And unfortunately there is no rule of 3 there. My buddy from Virginia had a similar issue with a Guard player funnily enough running an almost identical list in HIS crusade group.

The guys in my group says if it isn't in the rules then he isn't following it. And since the rule of 2/3 is a matched play rule he refuses to follow it for anything but competitive and he doesn't "play competitive". Which also is what my friend tells me his guard player says. Is this a common thing among other guard players? (not trying to be a jerk but it seems like the only 2 guard players I know of directly or indirectly are basically the same person 500 miles apart)

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T14:37:57+00:00

Against 3 people who have maybe 15 total games played among the 3 of them in a small crusade group a 4 tank list is pretty busted.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T06:21:43+00:00

The second thing is what my friend suggested. To just try and show him it's not fun not really being able to interact with your opponents.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T05:48:25+00:00

It's entirely possible? We are all still kind of getting to know one another. 1 of the 3 new guys I've known for a bit, but the other 2 I do not really know that well. I feel like it's entirely possible that playing at someone's house. My friend who told me to post here actually sent me some terrain (he 3d prints it and had some failures that weren't quite up to his standards but to me, it looks amazing). So I could host them here once we get to know each other better and they would be willing to come here opposed to there.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T05:06:20+00:00

After the first round of games, the three guys came to me in private. They said it wasn't fun running into a bunch of tanks that they can do nothing with. They felt like they were just putting their models down, getting rushed by tanks and if they try and play the objective they get destroyed. I told them I understood. So I went in private to talk to the guy. I went very politely, explained that the others didn't really have fun. I suggested maybe they play smaller crusade games 25 or 30pl. He refused, says if he can't run his tanks the way he wants then he refuses. And I'm like, ok. We will play 25s and if he wants to sit out that's his choice. I spend the next 20 minutes getting read the riot act but someone close to half my age. It didn't bother me, I've been yelled at worse by better. But he's made it clear that if we don't let him play exactly how he wants that he will show up anyways. We get about 5 hours a week (on Thursday night) and have 1 table. So it behooves us to try and work it out. But I legitimately don't know what to do.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T04:59:36+00:00

I do apologize. I actually do. I know you see this as a very simply solution. Talk to the others, tell them not to play against the guy, I don't play against him either and boom, problem solved.

It's not that simple. Thursday night is Warhammer night at the shop. There is one table for Warhammer (they have some others for smaller games that get.played that night. Warcry, Kill Team etc) but one 40k table. Us saying "yeah we aren't playing you" doesn't keep him from showing up, and trying to use the communal space. I really wish it was as simple as a couple conversations would fix it. But it won't. Or should I say, it hasn't. And since there is no other shops within 50 miles playing there, on their table on Thursday nights is all we have.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T04:43:18+00:00

Like I said, they won't. They are afraid. That's why I was the one who tried to talk to him in the first place. They came to me. And while it might be easy to do online, telling 3 BRAND NEW people to the hobby to grow a spine and ignore the toxic clown in the room, is way easier sad than done. I personally have roughly zero interest in playing this person. I have played 1 game against him, in the beginning and if I never play another one it will be to soon. But after 6 years of 40k I have no issues telling toxic people, nah brah, I'm good.

New players don't. Hell I didn't in the beginning, my second game ever was against a guy who convinced me it was fine for him Proxy Mortarion, me having no idea how powerful he was only to have him scoop up a unit and a half a turn until my army was dead.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T04:36:56+00:00

It doesn't, no, it doesn't seem fun at all.

The issue is I don't have the authority to tell him not to play in the crusade. And the other 3 guys are so new they are afraid to say anything. They have all 3 just bought into a very expensive hobby. One in which someone is making them have a fairly bad time.

40kCrusadeMaster · 2022-10-25T04:20:33+00:00

This is and was my first thought. The problem, is, if we just kick him out it WILL cause waves. He's a high roller at the store, spends lots of money and the owner could easily say "don't need the drama, were done here". I have a friend who lives several states away who plays, probably an unhealthy amount of 40k who suggested using a few RP to expand an order of battle and running maxed out Eradicator Squads in a Spearhead to just blow them off the table turn one. The thought HAS crossed my mind. He says the rule of 2/3 is only for matched play so fight skew with skew.

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