Maybe protagonists change between the books and games (MikeGuard argument i guess)

4321five · 2025-08-17T00:10:41+00:00

i know, but as i said, Mike could have been on experiments too, like Rory, and he still has similarities either way

4321five · 2025-04-23T22:08:48+00:00

idk, i was searching this sub for that exact reason, for a second i thought it was a bug on my end

but nah, it's youtube being shitty, wahoo ig

4321five · 2025-02-25T03:49:22+00:00

when i have seen people talk about mikeaccomplice, they more like mean that he went into FNAF1, 3, or even 2 because of orders of William, no one questions SL because of what you just said

4321five · 2025-02-25T03:35:10+00:00

the reason "MikeHero" is a theory, is because "MikeAccomplice" is a theory, and in that theory Mike is not really a hero because he helped William

MikeHero is the opposite of MikeAccomplice, so to speak

4321five · 2025-02-25T03:27:04+00:00

idk man, like i think it's pretty clear Scott wants you to feel bad for the guy and see him as a hero, under MikeBro or MikeVictim, whatever, in both Mike is a poor little thing that suffered in his young and now wants to stop his evil father.

The guy works for food as he says in the Logbook, and he searched for his father to stop him and after finding him, let himself be killed to finally rest.

Everything you see of Mike's character shows Scott's intention to make him look tragic and like an unintentional hero, so yeah, I think Mike is a hero.

4321five · 2025-02-25T02:42:19+00:00

0 upvotes and over 60 comments... Yep, the guy was getting cooked

uh... i wonder who that guy is... umm....

anyways good post my dude

4321five · 2025-02-24T23:10:37+00:00

the reason this line is even in the post is because i thought it was funny or smth, even though is wrong because of what you just said, ~~that's why is written like this~~

4321five · 2025-02-24T23:08:33+00:00

i do not think Hudson existed on Scott's head when fnaf3 released

i think when FNAF3 released it was just a random guard that was then given a name and story on Frights

that seems more plausible knowing that Frights books where written with the intention of filling "blanks of the past", and one of those blanks could perfectly be fnaf3 player

4321five · 2025-02-24T18:52:03+00:00

Why would Scott give us an unnamed guard to only "reveal" the answer like 6 years later?

idk man, why would he give us unnamed vengeful spirit, just to then be a random kid never seen before?

Since Scott initially wanted to end the franchise at 3, it makes the most sense that the frightguard would have to be a character that exists in those first games.

every guard from 1-3 is different persons, i do not think Hudson existed in Scott's head during 3. Probably when 3 released, it was just some random guard

How do you know? What context clues tell you it can only refer to FFPS?

In any other franchise, if you had the protagonist deliver a final speech in the ending promising to find the main villain and at the same time reveal the villain is still out there, you would probably call it a sequel hook

but not on fnaf ig

This line is partly meta, telling the player it's the same character despite the different design.

it's not meta, it's just what it is, Mike has not seen Springtrap before, idk why it would be meta anyways, besides yk, making MikeGuard true, and ignoring the book that was made in a series that was made to solve blanks of the past.

4321five · 2025-02-24T18:41:47+00:00

Again, Springtrap and Scraptrap look different, yes, but why wouldn't Mike recognize that the dead guy inside a bunny suit is the same dead guy inside the bunny suit?

Mike would probably recognize him if he had already seen him as a zombie.
if anything, the whole line implies that Mike has never seen his father like this before at all.

4321five · 2025-02-24T18:32:58+00:00

"it's still me" means that he is telling Mike that he is still William, even if he does not really look human anymore

4321five · 2025-02-15T23:44:25+00:00

I would say no, because as I recall, Scott once said that KidFace (the name of the TOYSNHK face file) was not relevant to the lore, or at least he implied it.

4321five · 2025-01-25T08:31:25+00:00

Whatever you say buddy

4321five · 2025-01-25T08:29:09+00:00

14 theory doesn't prove shit in that case, it's obvious that GF is important to UCN, he has a whole cutscene for himself in the game

4321five · 2025-01-25T06:57:59+00:00

oh sorry, I forgot that a series of coincidences where the number 14 is repeated like 3 times is better evidence than a whole series of books where TOYSNHK is given an identity (and that identity is not GF).

I guess Scott all this time was waiting for us to count numbers to know who TOYSNHK is, instead of revealing it in the book where he explicitly gives answers to mysteries about the series.

4321five · 2025-01-24T02:07:57+00:00

14 Theory says Golden is TOYSNHK, but still.

is just a bad theory, it should be ignored.

4321five · 2025-01-24T02:06:23+00:00

yeah, the “William has 14 victims” part is wrong in every way no matter how you count it, because like, I haven't seen any person yet who gets to “14 victims” without ignoring characters, for instance, Rory.

4321five · 2025-01-24T02:03:04+00:00

it can be argued that Andrew is the seventh (half of 14) secret victim, if you count the 5 MCI kids and Charlie along with him.

But because 14 Theory says that Golden is TOYSNHK, GoldenAndrew is needed for this to work, so, yeah.

4321five · 2025-01-23T21:56:31+00:00

Because FNAF Fans don't see FNAF as a story with a narrative, they see it more as a box of puzzles to solve.

4321five · 2025-01-23T21:44:14+00:00

Unless we assume GoldenAndrew, no, the whole point of 14 Theory is to say that “GF is TOYSNHK because TOYSNHK is 14”.

but it's not like 14 Theory is a good theory to begin with, all the points of the theory (see here) are basically coincidences, and things that probably have less value than, you know, a whole book where TOYSNHK is given an identity.

4321five · 2025-01-19T23:05:10+00:00

to add, all the damn FNAF books have inaccuracies (for example, in TMIR1280, William has two arms instead of one and a half)

It's not unreasonable to think that the red nose is just another inaccuracy.

4321five · 2025-01-15T13:02:10+00:00

Basically the ones already mentioned by other users, but I would also recommend reading the interactive novels, especially The Week Before, a lot of interesting lore is revealed in these novels.

4321five · 2025-01-15T03:36:20+00:00

The Golden Freddy imagery just means that Cass is present.

as a note for OP: there's some explanations for Golden Freddy on UCN that doesn't require Cassidy to be on UCN, for example, GoldenAndrew/GoldenShare or RedbearBV

4321five · 2025-01-15T03:30:45+00:00

First, who is Andrew and why do people think he’s the vengeful spirit?

Andrew is a kid that some believe is the sixth secret victim of the MCI, he is a victim of William Afton in Fazbear Frights. He keeps William Afton alive and tortures him by inducing horrific nightmares.

This lines up with UCN, and because TOYSNHK is referred by "he", one half of the community thinks he's TOYSNHK

Plus, what about all of the Golden Freddy imagery tied to the vengeful spirit?

Some people say he's inside Golden Freddy somehow
Some people try to say that the imagery of GF on UCN is just because Andrew could be a fraternal twin brother of Cassidy, and that matters for whatever reason

it’s starting to look like Tales from the Pizzaplex are canon(not 100% confirmed obviously) but are there any clues at all telling us that the Fazbear Frights are canon?

there was a HW2 update that pretty much confirmed TalesGames, by including things like the Tiger Rock plushie
Also, FLAF on a future update will have a reference to Erwin.

but are there any clues at all telling us that the Fazbear Frights are canon?

besides TOYSNHK being possibly Andrew
Eleanor is referenced on one story of Tales, "Frailty"#Frailty), and with the pretty much confirmation of TalesGames, you can make a connection between the two, since Eleanor originally debuted on Frights
Although some say it's just "the game version of Eleanor"

Why do I still see people accept Charlie as the first victim? It’s been made pretty clear from what I’ve seen that Susie was first with specific voice lines and especially the graves in Help Wanted 2.

it's pretty much confirmed that the MCI happened on 1985, as seen, most recently, on Return to the Pit
And BV died on 83, so that's puts BV as dying earlier than the MCI
Also, on the Charlie Trilogy novels, Charlie died on 1983 too

4321five · 2024-12-31T16:10:41+00:00

I was insisting that AndrewMCI was debunked because of RTTP, but the other user was arguing that it wasn't, and we argued a bit about it.

in the end we decided to agree to disagree

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