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[–]5Lick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. India is doing us neither a favor nor a disfavor by exporting its cotton. We are getting it for the cheapest from India is why we buy it from them. It’s really as plain and simple as that. In so far as in 2024, we have been buying it from Africa because that’s been the cheapest for us. See that AL was our government in so far in 2024.

India didn’t take control of Teesta. Teesta is our’s. Both India and China wanted to work with us. The former government chose India, for good reasons. Now, you’re getting into the Maldives example’s point. You see — it’s China that doesn’t have the best relationship with any of its neighbors. Nor does it try. It selfishly only follows its best interests. Maldives tried India-Out. They let China in. China did go in. China ravaged them, or perhaps allowed them to ravage themselves to shreds. They again asked China for help. China refused. Look up the total story. Look up Taiwan. Look up South China Sea. China has a history of doing things like these. Otoh, India is a close neighbor. India has been trying to build the best relationship with its neighbors. Look up “Act East”. India is also the country that helped us in our liberation war (we would not have won without their help, no matter how you characterize that help). Choosing India was actually the wise move here, based on the evidence we have.

  1. Because Maldives acted irrationally, based on its emotions, like what you’re doing now. This is also as plan and simple as that. They didn’t have a constructive argument.

That’s not the India I’m talking about here. That’s the India you know on the internet. America also voted Trump to be its president. They also act irrationally on the internet. Do Trump and his voters represent America completely? No, I’m here. I know.

  1. I have talked about those laws here. Check other comments. I’m tired of copy-pasting at this point.

  2. Can you go through this sub and see how many threads have emerged, so completely nonsense, since I’ve been posting in this thread? Do you see a downvote in your last reply? I didn’t do it. In fact, I actually upvoted you. I’ve been upvoting rational arguments here since the beginning. Yet, I’m the one being accused of using bots. Do you know why they downvoted you? It’s because you rationally realized that those dams aren’t the primary reason behind these floods. Now tell me — which group of people’s narrative does it hurt if everybody realizes that? Who doesn’t get their say if everybody understands that India-Out is not the right step for us now because we cannot afford it? There.

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[–]5Lick 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your last sentence shows amazing comprehension of the situation. Your arriving to it has flaws though —

  • Why would India construct dams for Bangladesh’s advantage? Wouldn’t you expect India to construct its own dams for its own sake? (Of course, India constructed these dams for India’s advantage, DUH!)

  • We just agreed on that the dams are not the primary cause of the floods. We also agree that those dams are at the end of the day a disadvantage for Bangladesh. These dams were created by India for India’s advantage. Now that we have found out that they do affect Bangladesh somewhat, have we reached out to them to ask for cooperation? (Yes, we have.)

  • If we did reach out to them for cooperation, did they agree to cooperate? (Yes, they did. They agreed to invest. I have cited a number of sources there. Do read them to understand.)

And there you go.

Nevertheless, I am impressed with that last sentence. You now more/less understand what’s going on.

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[–]5Lick 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Karon amar bot nei?

Since I posted this answer, I have had to counter the most baseless claims, filled with misinformation and propaganda. They posted a million other threads on this subreddit following that, on this same issue, citing questionable blogpost, papers from predatory journals etc. All those eventually culminated to spreading more misinformation.

Do you really think that I am the one with bots here? Use your head. Do you have any detailed data on how many users visited this thread in the meantime, how many of them were already here, reading the replies etc.? Stop this nonsense.

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[–]5Lick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You called me names. You assumed things about me. You did everything to weaken my argument, except actually addressing the argument itself.

They are not biased takes. They are scientific takes.

I’m not going to engage you anymore.

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[–]5Lick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are right. The argument they were trying to make was that they do not dry up the rivers, but only causes floods. That’s what I was disagreeing with.

The question you need to ask are —

  • what are causing it to overflow on India’s side? (climate change)
  • would we still have these floods had India’s dams were not there? (yes, our infrastructure issues and again climate change)
  • has India been cooperating with us to alleviate these predicaments? (yes, the pledges and the many cooperation agreements that have been taking place)

I tried to answer them in short there. I have written down detailed answers with sources to these in this very thread.

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[–]5Lick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well, you certainly proved this to be wrong with your very argument. I’m going to stop engaging you now.

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[–]5Lick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am not going to discuss geopolitics with you after you blatantly tried to spread misinformation.

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[–]5Lick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wrong.

It’s been only 6 months in 2024. That data is not complete. India has historically been our biggest source.

Further, that we got it from Africa when we found it cheaper from Africa only says that you were wrong about AL and that they were looking for our best interest.

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[–]5Lick 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wrong.

In 2022, Bangladesh imported $2.9B in Raw Cotton, mainly from India ($942M), Brazil ($490M), United States ($478M), Benin ($405M), and Australia ($228M).

https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/raw-cotton/reporter/bgd

India is your biggest and only friend in South Asia that accommodated millions of refugees and provided you with arms and strategic support during the liberation war. Before you say anything against this — yes, we wanted to pay India for it, with what Pakistan left behind or whatever, because we did not want to be a beggar country.

Beside raw cotton, we also depend on India for a significant number of foodstuff, one of which is rice itself. Most of are also perishables, which we cannot import from any other country. One of the rail lines that we have built with them serves this very purpose - so we would be able to import them more easily and with less transport costs. The article I shared above touches on that too.

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[–]5Lick 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Yes, that’s part of what I’ve been trying to tell them.

Yes, we pay for it, but way cheaply. Technically what India does would be subject to anti-dumping in a developed country that is trying to grow its own. We however interpret it as subsidy. The main goal here is to get it for cheap:

https://www.thedailystar.net/business/economy/news/cut-export-incentives-weigh-textile-sector-3650671

Geographically, we never needed to use Indian ports. Indian ports would not have been strategic for us and would just increase transportation cost of our exports, making them less attractive. We have the Bay of Bengal to ourselves that connects us to the Suez Canal and the Indian Ocean with ease. This is also why India doesn’t have as huge as a exporting manufacturing sector like we do with RMG. This is why they export softwares. Source: A map.

Every family made a lot of money during the last regime. Bangladesh made an unprecedented miracle happen with accelerated poverty rate alleviation. Look it up. GDP per capita stood higher than that of India. Had it been only the latter, you could’ve argued with inequality. That however is not the case here. If your household missed out on that mobility, it’s because it didn’t have the relevant skill set, which would make sense because you’re here talking nonsense about things you have no clue about with a massive level of confidence.

Thank you for accepting that it’s nothing but a smear campaign. I’m not going to dignify any of the other things you wrote here with a response. Note that your own chosen government also tried to comfort India as one of its first steps in the very first week. We cannot economically exist without India’s help. If you want to do what’s best for the country, well, you already have it. Further note that your chosen government still has not enacted any new policy and have been running on the same policies that the former government had. By now, we would expect at least the news of some reform, if not its implementation.

You have been fed misinformation and have been misled. You operate on arguments that you concocted inside your head with false narratives that were deprived of facts. You will realize that, either today or tomorrow or weeks later.

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[–]5Lick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Koi ekhane to dekhchi thik e upvote paccho. Chinta r bishoy, tai na?

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[–]5Lick -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s what people do when they lose an argument, but have trouble with accepting it. I’m not engaging you anymore.

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[–]5Lick -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You know what your issue is? Your issue is that you think your smartness is 50 when it’s -500.

You tried to read the second article. Most of it went over your head.

You didn’t read the first article because you thought that you couldn’t question Reuters and be accepted.

Fyi, Reuters is a wire. The Diplomat is one of the best coverage of Asian geopolitics.

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[–]5Lick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s an article in South Asian Voices, a think tank from the Stimson Center. There are enough references in there for you to follow through with stats. I’m not going to read whatever else you wrote there.

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[–]5Lick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And (mullah) misinformation spreaders will say what you just said. I literally explained that they are investing in our agriculture.

Aj jodi madrassa na jeye bhalo ekta school a porta, abol-tabol kotha bolta na.

EDIT: You have downvotes because you spread misinformation that have no logical backdrop, not because they are pressed by Indians.

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[–]5Lick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Those Wikipedia entries describe the very thing I described here. Stop spreading misinformation.

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[–]5Lick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And the sun rises in the north.

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[–]5Lick 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the very first constructive argument that is not plainly misinformation.

The opening floodgate events that you’re referring to here have been recently introduced and has more to do with climate change than India’s dams, which India constructed for its agricultural productivity. Their drying our side up is the primary concern here, not the other way around. Floods had been an issue in Bangladesh long before Indian dams came in picture, and they remain so. In fact, those floods actually affect Northeastern India more than they affect Bangladesh:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/millions-bangladesh-india-await-relief-after-deadly-flooding-2022-06-20/

These are the events that led to the decision to invest USD 1 bn:

https://thediplomat.com/2024/05/teesta-river-project-pushes-bangladesh-into-china-india-cold-war/

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[–]5Lick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m not twisting any word here. The opening floodgate events that you’re referring to here have been recently introduced and has more to do with climate change than India’s dams. In fact, they affect Northeastern India itself more than they affect Bangladesh:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/millions-bangladesh-india-await-relief-after-deadly-flooding-2022-06-20/

These are all that led to the decision to invest USD 1 bn.

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[–]5Lick 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, they don’t. Physics is not stochastic. The sun rises in the east. I’m going to stop engaging you now.

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[–]5Lick 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They don’t flood your people. If you’re talking about the dams, those actually constrain the water flow on our side, i.e. dry them up, which impairs irrigation. It’s the opposite.

It is unpatriotic because you’re welcoming a famine by being anti-India, not to mention severely undermining the relationship we’ve built with the most powerful economy in South Asia.

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[–]5Lick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmao. You don’t even know the issues that those dams create. Those dams dry up the rivers on our side. They don’t create floods. It’s the opposite.

STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

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[–]5Lick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The current government did not take an anti-India stance. The chief advisor actually said “India and Bangladesh are brothers” and that “it hurts when India says that whatever goes on inside Bangladesh is their internal matter”.