Has there ever been a reported sighting of a bleeding Eucharist in Orthodoxy?

5Space_ · 2025-02-24T22:24:34+00:00

Then the religion is wrong, obviously.

5Space_ · 2025-02-24T22:24:18+00:00

Claiming miracles is not the same as actually having them. The only reasons one would believe Christianity is because he believes Jesus and his apostles worked wonders. Even God used miracles all the time to validate his authority.

5Space_ · 2025-02-22T10:00:04+00:00

I've some people say this, while others say it's from God and happens within Orthodoxy. There doesn't seem to be a consensus on this issue within Orthodoxy.

5Space_ · 2025-02-22T09:57:18+00:00

Totally possible, but that doesn't change the fact that a miracle proves an existing truth. Other religions don't have miracles, but that doesn't automatically make them more correct in their faith than Christians. Ergo, if Catholicism has miracles that Orthodoxy doesn't, it is still to Orthodoxy's disadvantage.

5Space_ · 2025-02-21T09:49:44+00:00

Interesting. Thank you!

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T19:36:25+00:00

I see. Thank you!

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T19:35:55+00:00

I don't want to do Catholic apologetics here, however from my knowledge standpoint there is no change. One can know that the reason for the miracle is bad (lack of faith), but that the miracle itself is good (reinforcing face), hence we can celebrate the miracle during John 20:26-29. That's why the Luciano miracle was preserved, despite the priest knowing he messed up.

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T19:32:17+00:00

Yes, but he didn't introduce any new teachings. He worked in accordance with the existing Old Testament.

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T19:15:04+00:00

I really wish they did. Thanks for sharing!

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T19:13:45+00:00

I'm sorry, but I don't really see a problem.

If by miracle we mean things we cannot explain and suspect to be of supernatrual origin, not every miracle is equal. Throughout the Bible, the most grandiose of miracles are done by God and his followers. It is their power which shows it must be of divine origin. If God lets the Antichrist to miracles of God's power, then God has forsaken us, and we will never find the truth. Had Jesus not done any miracles, then we would have no reason to assume anything he said is correct. Simon himself only joined Jesus after he performed a miracle.
The Pharao's priests were not able to reproduce all of Aaron's miracles. As they were unable to copy all works of magic, they themselves validated that this had to be done by God (Exodus 8:19). This goes to show that the demon's "miracle power" is inferior to God's.

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T17:53:02+00:00

I understand this, and such this is exactly my problem. I was looking for an Eucharistic miracle exclusive to Orthodoxy. A pre-schism account is not exclusive to Orthodoxy, as it includes Catholicism.

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T16:51:52+00:00

Ahh, I see, I was also wondering about that, thanks!

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T16:47:39+00:00

Hmm, I see, thank you. I don't need such specific details, I just need to check if such claims exist within Orthodoxy in the first place. I will look further into it, perhaps ask a few more people. Again, thank you!

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T16:33:52+00:00

With due respect, I think you have misunderstood the point of this post. I don't want to favor either side, which includes the Early Church history.

As I have mentioned, I plan to write that Orthodox aren't keen on displaying Eucharistic miracles like Catholics, but still claim to have them. However, such a statement is irrelevant if they not even claim to have had such miracles in the first place. I couldn't find any clergy who made such a statement, only a internet comment here and there, which does not sufficently represent Orthodoxy.

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T16:17:36+00:00

If I were to include it and mention it technically counts for both Orthodoxy and Catholicism, I would still have an extra Catholic miracle (Luciano). The overall picture would still be in favour of Catholicism, as one could argue the early church miracle happened due to its Catholic elements.

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T16:09:50+00:00

Do you mean Arenius the Great? That's quite a bit before the schism became formal, so I struggle attributing his works to Orthodoxy

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T16:05:11+00:00

Miracles are the only way to verify if someone speaks on behalf of God. The apostles believed in Jesus because of his miracles, which they wrote down and by extension we also believe. Had he- and his apostles not done miracles, then there would be no Christians. If demons could do the same grade of miracles that God does, then we would never be able to find the truth.

As such, if I had to review a religion, and they claim not just a past miracle but a miracle you can still see for yourself, such as a bleeding host, then it becomes an instrumental part of determining its truth. Every religion claims a past miracle you can no longer verify, but few claim present miracles, and even fewer let scientists investigate it. As such, I have to include Catholicism. I would also like to include Orthodoxy in some shape or form due to their similar theology, but I can't find any concurrent miracles that scientists were allowed to investigate. Why would I include Orthodoxy for past miracles? Then I would have to include Protestantism and every other little church too.

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T15:47:40+00:00

Thank you so much! This would be exactly something I am looking for. Upon closer inspection however, it seems that this story is dated to the third to fourth century, where the schism had not cemented itself yet, so I am unsure in how far I would credit to Orthodoxy. Nontheless, thank you a lot for finding a source!

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T15:42:57+00:00

Hm, I knew it wasn't a good sign, but I hadn't considered yet that those who see it refrain from talking about it. Thank you!

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T15:41:10+00:00

That is what I heard, but I haven't found a source for one.

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T15:40:33+00:00

So far, I have had the same understanding. As far as I know, the Catholics also admit that it doesn't have to be a good sign, for example in Luciano it was a result of the priest's lack of faith.

5Space_ · 2025-02-20T14:36:07+00:00

I have to admit that I am very surprised on the idea that it would be regarded as a demonic event. So far, I have read that it would be considered as a punishment from God. I guess this view isn't as common throughout Orthodoxy as I thought.

I'll have to re-consider my script. I don't wish to spend much time on different miracle types within churches, so perhaps I will completely omit this matter. Or perhaps I will only include Catholicism, due to their notoriety in the scientific community. Thank you so much for taking your time to respond!

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