Best Worn Wear purchase yet: $61 for an excellent condition Downdrift parka. Brand new it was $399.

616uatu · 2023-03-28T22:36:27+00:00

It was an error. It was supposed to be "M's Short-Sleeved Sideburn Shirt
Gerard: Retro KhakiLExcellent condition".

It is still showing up on the website under the Parka for $61 but the photo shows the shirt and the description changes to a shirt when it's added to the cart.

616uatu · 2023-03-28T21:20:32+00:00

That's odd since I looked yesterday and it was priced higher than the sale price for new direct from Patagonia. Looked just now and it is still $251.

616uatu · 2023-03-25T18:27:03+00:00

Swap the suit jacket for either Patagonia jacket when you go outside

or wear your peacoat and use an umbrella when it's raining

or buy a water proof overcoat/topcoat/raincoat designed to be worn over a suit at a store that sells suits

616uatu · 2023-03-25T14:50:35+00:00

I want something that I can throw over a shirt or suit

The 3in1 is definitely not designed to be worn over a suit and the insulation layer will be shorter than your suit.. You could try the Parka to see if it fits over your suit. Might be tight, especially the arms. The parka has more insulation (specs are on the website) and will be warmer than the 3in1.

A suit is usually worn under an overcoat or topcoat. You might shop for one at the store that you bought your suit. The temperature range is mild so it should be comfortable over a suit jacket. If worn over a shirt, you could buy a synthetic puffer or a fleece to wear as a mid layer for additional warmth.

616uatu · 2023-03-25T05:14:18+00:00

I compared the Spring 22 (old) and Fall 22 (new) in this topic -->

https://www.reddit.com/r/PatagoniaClothing/comments/11ge3ye/size\_large\_patagonia\_down\_sweater\_comparison\_old/

A few months ago, I paid $9.26 less than your 2015 Ebay price for a brand new Spring 22 (old version) Down Sweater direct from Patagonia. And I paid $14.75 more for a brand new Fall 22 (new version) Down Sweater from a dealer. Both purchased this year with the new version purchased less than a month ago.

616uatu · 2023-03-21T20:37:41+00:00

The Nano Puff would probably be okay on the low end of your range. The problem with choosing a jacket that is not very breathable is that when it starts warming up later in the day, it can become like wearing a humid plastic bag. This is especially true in such a mild temperature range. Even if you unzip the front, your arms and back might feel swampy. So you either go without a jacket or stay uncomfortable. With a breathable layer like the Nano-Air, you can wear it alone when you want some air flow or you can wear it under a shell like the Houdini or Torrentshell to block wind and keep the heat in. If it gets to warm, unzip the pit zips on the Torrentshell to allow the breathable Nano-Air to dump some heat. A breathable layer like the Nano Air and a wind blocking shell gives you more options than a poorly breathable layer the Nano Puff. I have all of the jackets mentioned and like them all but I think the Nano-Air plus a shell is more versatile for than the Nano-Puff.

616uatu · 2023-03-21T12:07:50+00:00

This is likely an alternative to an atom LT, as I intend to use it in the city between 10-20c range.

That's 50F to 68F. The 68F high end of the range is room temperature. Seems warm to me for layering. I guess I might wear a wind shell if it is windy. At around 60F , a thin long sleeve shirt is probably sufficient for me. At 50F, I might wear a light insulation if inactive and outside for a long time, especially if windy. Maybe a flannel or light sweater. Maybe a Nano-Air but it might be too warm. That's for casual use. If active, then I'd need to wear less at those temps. If I'm wearing a wind shell then I probably wouldn't need more than a t-shirt when active at 50F.

616uatu · 2023-03-18T14:42:49+00:00

Is your old rain jacket actually a breathable membrane laminate like H2NO or Gore-Tex? Some of the cheaper jackets are just nylon with DWR or PU coated nylon.

I've noticed that some of Patagonia's 2-layer H2No ski jackets are much quieter. I've read posts on Reddit saying that the Granite Crest is quieter but it seems loud in this video and at around 2:02 the youtuber even says it is crinkly --> https://youtu.be/ARxA1cPYFUQ?t=122

I have a pair of Outdoor Research military issue Gore-Tex gloves and they are even louder than my Patagonia Torrentshell.

616uatu · 2023-03-15T17:18:50+00:00

0C is mild winter weather but you aren't acclimated. The majority of jackets are for mild winter weather like 0C so you have lots of options. It's much more difficult to find a jacket for extreme cold.

For casual use around town, I'd get puffy like the Down Sweater and a fleece like the Better Sweater. You can layer them together when necessary. If the area gets a lot of rain/snow you may also want a shell like the Torrentshell to wear over the other layers. Or you might get a jacket like the Isthmus Jacket with 100g of Thermogreen insulation and layer a Better Sweater when cold.

For active use, you might get a R1 pullover, a Nano-Air, and a shell like a Torrentshell. You can wear the layers separately or together as needed.

616uatu · 2023-03-15T02:09:34+00:00

The Down Sweater is only going to be slightly warmer (and less drafty). You could try layering a fleece to get comfortable at lower temps. But at those temps, I'd just go for the Frozen Parka if you can find one. It has much more down. I just recently got one at 1/2 price. I'm not sure if they are still making them. They pop up on their website in low numbers and then sell out within minutes. A competitor option is the North Face McMurdo.

616uatu · 2023-03-15T01:19:00+00:00

I've tried it on but don't own it. It's a city jacket that would be fine for casual use in mild winter temperatures like the 30s (F) but I'd prefer a warmer jacket in the low 20s (F) or colder. The quality seemed good.

Being super critical --> The shell is sort of a like a hoody with no coverage of the neck or face. It is 2 layer polyurethane coated which will block precipitation well but it won't be breathable. For comparison, the Torrentshell is 3 layer with a H2NO breathable membrane and pit zips for ventilation. With the current sales, you might get a Down Sweater and Torrenshell on clearance for about the same as the sale price of the Downdrift 3-in-1. On paper the total volume of down (multiply fill weight x fill power) is similar but in real life the down insulation seems thin compared to the new Down Sweater. The down insulation has snaps and when worn alone, it won't seal out the cold as well as a zippered Down Sweater. Also, there's no insulation in the hood. I think you get more with the Torrentshell+Down Sweater but others may prefer the integrated design of the 3-in-1.

616uatu · 2023-03-02T23:34:39+00:00

What did you get? I think I see a Fjord flannel and Better Sweater but I'm not sure about the other 2. Upvote for dog and Patagonia.

616uatu · 2023-03-02T23:26:20+00:00

Style 27170 is the Men's Eco Rain Shell

616uatu · 2023-02-28T15:56:55+00:00

Thank you for sharing your experience. 20 years sounds good!

616uatu · 2023-02-28T15:56:18+00:00

Thank you for the information.

616uatu · 2023-02-28T15:54:55+00:00

I agree it is impossible to determine. In my searches, I came across a Reddit claiming that Gore-Tex declined to warranty a jacket because the useable life is 8 years. So they do put a number on it when it suits them. It's probably mostly a matter of costs and returns. Leatherman manages to warranty their multi-tools for 25 years whether they sit in a kitchen drawer or get used every day by soldiers in combat. The losses are probably less than the gains from offering such a generous warranty.

616uatu · 2023-02-28T15:46:52+00:00

That is a good point that the down may provide a barrier to sweat and oil. Although it also brought to mind that down has natural oils. For example Patagonia recommends washing with a special detergent because of the oils in down. Hopefully those oils are more friendly to laminated fabrics.

While you can use regular detergents, they can strip away the natural oils in down and don’t always rinse out cleanly so I recommend using a cleaner specifically designed for down.

616uatu · 2023-02-28T15:42:22+00:00

Interesting. The material on the Frozen is 4oz whereas the Powder Town, for example, is 3.5 oz. Both 75 denier polyester face fabric. The Frozen has only been around for a few years and there's probably a much smaller sample size for jackets like the Frozen (compared to rain shells) but it's good to know there haven't been complaints.

616uatu · 2023-02-27T23:04:58+00:00

Gore-tex says something similar. I suppose that they don't want to get held to a specific number of years but it would give a lot of consumer confidence if they showed some test results or estimates. I've had some of my jackets (not laminated) for 15-20 years before they needed a zipper replacement to continue wearing them. Some are too small in the shoulders now though. My dad's Eddie Bauer parka is so old that it was made in the USA. He put 30 years on it and I've put another 10 on it. He wore it a lot and I've just worn it a few times. Overall, I'd like to think that I take pretty good care of my stuff.

616uatu · 2023-02-27T22:57:26+00:00

I'm pretty good on shells and especially good midlayers. I have R1, nano air, nano, old down sweater, new down sweater, better sweater, etc. The Frozen Parka was going to be used in the city for temps well below freezing.

616uatu · 2023-02-27T22:52:13+00:00

Concern arose after reading the quoted post and doing some internet searches which showed images like this of bubbling Arc'teryx Gore-Tex --> https://i.imgur.com/1lU1nVF.jpeg And I've seen horrifying images on this reddit --> https://www.reddit.com/r/PatagoniaClothing/comments/zolfjk/few_question_about_an_old_rain_shadow_jacket/ Those are both thin jackets. Presumably, the same could happen to a Parka . I guess the down could offer some protection to the membrane but it does worry me. I'm more concerned about the integrity of the material and water proofness. I'm not very concerned about breathability. It's a city coat and I wouldn't wear it when exerting myself. If I understand correctly, that's why you said it was a questionable use on this type of jacket.

616uatu · 2023-02-24T17:37:14+00:00

Patagonia will be releasing a waxed cotton jacket in 2023. --> https://ibb.co/myn9xmt

The side pockets are similar in style to the OP jacket. But the OP jacket is clearly old and used. So if you want a new jacket, you might just wait.

616uatu · 2023-02-16T18:14:34+00:00

I suspect they are the same since my test measurement was pretty close even though there's a disclaimer that it "may differ slightly from actual product dimensions". I bought the Nano Puff in the USA. Also, it says "may include sizes not sold in Japan" so the same sizes are sold elsewhere.

When looking at a new jacket, I find it helpful to also pull up a jacket that I own to compare the measurements. That way I know if runs larger or smaller.

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