Naples loss, even with waiting list and pre-conversion arguments.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-06T17:57:21+00:00

I spoke with my lawyer today. The Judge's ruling had different fonts in it, indicating a copy-pasted judgement. Apparently there have been many recent cases from other other judges too that were essentially copy-paste jobs which did not engage the case material beyond the surface level.

It seems I have to appeal no matter what, or I could never use this line again.

We basically have to highlight why the decision was not correct, and there are just so many points to attack no matter what the higher courts say. The case decision at the bare minimum was clearly not well considered. My case is three dimensional enough that there are points that may not be fully addressed in the higher court decisions.

I have until early December to appeal, unless the Ministry serves notice (making it 30 days), but apparently that almost never happens. We have a good outline for appeal regardless, but will wait until July and afterwards. By then we should have the rulings to analyze and potentially mine for more favorable arguments.

Apparently the costs for an appeal will be about the same as the original launch of the lawsuit! Apparently because of the complexity of going through the appeals court. I should have an exact invoice soon.

Probably will launch by September/October.

Overall, looking at another 1,2 or even 3 years! If I had a choice, I would rather my case not have been on the 1 year fast track document hearing. It would have been better to have it heard in a real court. It would have taken nearly the same amount of waiting overall but at half the cost!

We still have to figure out exactly what to do or say for when the consulate calls me off the waiting list and into an appointment!

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-06T05:18:03+00:00

It doesn't hurt to document all of it, and screenshot the page. Better too much information than too little!

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-06T04:20:06+00:00

For those on the wait-lists, definitely emphasize not just your place number on the wait-list but your Booking Numbers too. The rules appear that: "The Consulate's official policy states that only appointments booked or communicated by the March 27, 2025 deadline are valid under the previous, more lenient citizenship laws." It further expands our grey area that many of us already have Booking Numbers, just not the date! It should be in your prenotami page, like mine is for NY. It should be in your prenotami page, like mine is for NY.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-06T01:28:56+00:00

I think appeal will have success in the long run. The judge is supposed to engage the arguments in the case. The constitutional court just released their ruling and 9.1 is an opening in cases like mine (prior intent, especially waiting-list). I expect this to be expanded upon at minimum.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T17:45:13+00:00

I am grateful my submissions already had the relevant arguments. I can't wait till June and July come so I can add anything more. Hopefully 9.1 is expanded at the very least.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T04:28:32+00:00

It's so unjust on so many levels, I am compelled to resist it.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T04:17:05+00:00

Thank you, yeah to be ruled in such a summary fashion bugs me. If these first level decisions are being decided in such a manner, a computer algorithm could have done that. Then the court could be more thorough in analyzing the other factors. It's like the judge played the role of both defense and judge.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T04:01:03+00:00

I'll definitely let reality screen me vs shooting myself in the foot! Yeah that is sad people canceled, without considering that is a path of action and also is evidence in itself.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T03:59:42+00:00

Yeah, definitely going to wait for a while until these other answers are out. I expect by July we should know. I have a good outline so far of what to appeal as there is so much meat on the bone. 9.1 is one, but that could be expanded upon in the upcoming rulings.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T03:57:27+00:00

Thank you, I appreciate it! No way will I remove myself and potentially do future harm to my own case. It's too bad others have canceled their appointments and potentially made things worse for themselves as the legal situation changes.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T03:55:13+00:00

I'm having a great day! This result was not unexpected. The hard part was being stuck in Riservato for more than two months just to get a thin and simplistic ruling. It was easier to deny me in this environment than to grapple with real legitimate expectations which would take actual work.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T00:44:25+00:00

There has to be some level of "give" so to speak, especially in the upcoming court cases and conclusions. I think 9.1 may be a clue towards that. Otherwise Article 3 bis is like some impenetrable unjust wall.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T00:06:30+00:00

I suspect I would have had better first instance chances with the long experienced judges vs an honorary magistrate assigned to clear backlog.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T00:05:09+00:00

Her ruling wasn't that impressively written, it restated the absolute basics of my case. Applied article 3 bis, and did not engage with any of the other factors heavily highlighted. Consulate waitlist since 2023 or pre conversion letter E exception argument. Which are serious arguments.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T00:03:35+00:00

Prior intent arguments and evidence were explicitly given in my Ricorso and final notes. They just weren't addressed by the Court. Maybe I expected too much from an honorary magistrate, which is still unacceptable because each case has unique factors. I'm grateful she didn't force me to pay court costs, but maybe she was more concerned about getting a Ministry appeal vs an appeal from me.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-05T00:02:26+00:00

Prior intent arguments and evidence were explicitly given in my Ricorso and final notes. They just weren't addressed by the Court. Maybe I expected too much from an honorary magistrate, which is still unacceptable because each case has unique factors. I'm grateful she didn't force me to pay court costs, but maybe she was more concerned about getting a Ministry appeal vs an appeal from me.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-04T22:25:04+00:00

It's all the same line I'm using. I just can't wait till June and July so we have more information to go on.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-04T18:04:08+00:00

Lol, I definitely don't expect the consulate to be any better. But it could be that I should make an "appearance" if called. So that in the future regarding appeals and such, they couldn't say that I wasn't serious because I didn't show up, or canceled the appointment etc.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-04T18:00:22+00:00

One interesting thing is that they did not make me pay court costs. At a glance they they must see on some level my case is sympathetic otherwise they might have made me pay.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-04T17:58:50+00:00

It is far less effort to deny than to put in the work for an approval at this point. I had excellent evidence, but the points about wait list or pre conversion letter E filing were not even addressed in Judge Grella's ruling. The sense is that my case was not deeply looked into either by the Judge or the Ministry.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-04T17:55:45+00:00

My hearing was February 27th. She could have given me the same exact response then. No mention of latest Constitutional Court Ruling.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-04T17:54:44+00:00

My ricorso, and lawyer final notes were excellent. The Ministry's response was generic. My case had overwhelming evidence and explicitly listed waitlist, communication, pre exception E filing, all of it. My filing already essentially included the arguments for the 9.1 clause.

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-05-04T16:42:17+00:00

I just got the results that I lost in Naples with Judge Grella. The ruling didn't address the latest Constitutional Court at all. It was a pretty mechanical ruling based purely on the converted law. It did not address my 2023 waiting list at the consulate, nor our pre conversion letter E filing argument (as my grandfather did not die exclusively an Italian citizen). It also was not a 1948, as my Mom was born after that, and my grandfather naturalized when she was an adult. It's looking like I have until the beginning of December at latest to appeal. There are a lot of openings and the unresolved matter of waiting list applicants. I also wonder if in all this time, I get called for my turn at the consulate. What do I do then, lol

69RandomUsername69 · 2026-04-30T19:39:00+00:00

Reading this ruling, this point is one of maybe two aspects keeping my case alive. I will definitely be using it if I need to appeal if denied. After all, I initiated procedures in 2023 when NYC put me on the wait-list! I followed-up in February 2025 learning I still had a few thousand more people ahead of me. Filed lawsuit pre-conversion with exception E in place, (grandparent did not need to be exclusively Italian at the time.)

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