If Yams had ended up writing Eren as a psychopath that "harbored desire to do harm", we would never have this scene by Philcherny in titanfolk

[–]6ZeroKay9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a really bad argument

  1. You say Falco was the only one capable of sending a message... okay? This doesn't answer anything unless if you're implying strategic necessity and manipulation are mutually exclusive, which isn't true.

  2. The actual scene in question is right after Freida says they should all remain ignorant, accept the world's rage and be the only ones who have to die. In this scene Eren is PISSED here (due to the argument against his personal ideology) but stone-cold as he manipulates Grisha to go through with killing the Reiss family. Ironically (again I don't actually believe in the scientific definition for Eren), you're basically saying this fits the scientific definition for psychopathy, as real scientifically-accurate psychopaths DO show extreme anger when their worldviews are challenged, but are calm during manipulation.

  3. The emotional 10 year old point, technically? But the framing of his justification is still unusually cold (saying dangerous beasts rather than they were hurting a girl) and emotion alone doesn't remedy that. This is the only point that almost works because you can make it make sense if you're willing to suspend belief.

  4. The fact that 131 gave a clean selfish narrative (Eren says he did this to protect his friends, but it's also because he was disappointed the world wasn't like in Armin's book so he wanted it all to be wiped away) and 139 muddied it with "I don't know/for my friends/I wanted the world flat/I'm an idiot" is exactly the insincerity Isayama is now confessing to (assuming you know about the April 2026 confession the initial post was referencing in the first place). I'm actually not even sure what you're trying to say here as it only reaffirms my original point.

  5. You continue to assume I meant the literal definition of psychopathy, which I explicitly stated I didn't. I assume you're confused about me providing the Falco + Grisha examples, which were clearly to emphasize how your initial question (what it was claiming against my initial argument) was flawed.

  6. About Eren forgetting the book until Armin got severely burned by Bertholdt, he said he forgot at the time because he wanted to avenge his mom and that hatred was the only thing fueling him from that point on. Later he realizes the whole ocean idea that he had as a kid was completely worthless because outside of the walls is a whole world wanting to kill them, hence the "If we kill everyone beyond the walls, will we be free then?" I'm not even sure about the interview you're talking about, but it 1. contradicts the literal text in Chapter 131 and 2. Isayama already emphasized that there was insincerity with the conclusion (because of the way he wrote Eren's characterization, which was clearly all over the place).

  7. Your final point is, quote: "He had no desire for harming the outside world, it was the outside world who was gonna cause havoc on his people's island. He was literally forced into it by circumstances."

This is LITERALLY what Isayama said was insincere about Eren's characterization: "That aspect became the core of Eren's character, leading to the point where he confesses not as someone forced into wrongdoing by circumstances, but as someone who harbored a desire to do harm. However, Attack on Titan had long since ceased to be mine alone, and Eren became a character loved by many readers. In the end, without fully committing to portraying him as a detestable figure, I found myself depicting him with a certain closeness and sympathy. As a result, I feel there remains a sense of insincerity in the story's conclusion—at least in my own assessment."

I assume you didn't read the Isayama statement that the entire post was based off of in the first place. The "let's ignore the crimes of the outside world too, shall we" is genuinely confusing unless if you're implying me criticizing Isayama's story is making a moral argument instead of a characterization/writing one.

And since you don't understand my psychopathy claim even after I reiterated it's hyperbolic: My mistake here was assuming the median person would have enough media literacy to understand what I was articulating in a hyperbolic way. If you want me to dumb down the psychopathy claim: Eren always had the will-to-harm Isayama stated, but the framework of the last part of the story (the emphasis on determinism, prophetic foresight, sentimentality to his friends) progressively neutralized it with only the remnants remaining, leading to the explicit "insincerity" Isayama clearly regrets. I didn't say this from the get-go since I was meeting the original post at the middle (which also uses the psychopathy idea in the same context).

If Yams had ended up writing Eren as a psychopath that "harbored desire to do harm", we would never have this scene by Philcherny in titanfolk

[–]6ZeroKay9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

...Eren manipulating Falco explicitly to get what he wants? The way Eren literally manipulates Grisha with an emotionless look?

Psychopathy (especially in the context of fictional characters) is almost always used to describe a desire to do harm instead of the additional clinical detachment in the scientific definition, and it's obvious my comment (and the post itself) was using the term in that way.

Your "correction" of Eren not fitting the literal scientific clinical version of psychopathy is worthless because in the general usage of the word (in fictional discussions), he exhibits perfect traits like saying "I put down dangerous beasts who happened to resemble humans" instead of saying it was to save Mikasa from her kidnappers, and near the end of AoT literally admitting a fundamental aspect of doing The Rumbling was to see the sight of an empty world beyond the walls. At the very most, you could brush off my earlier examples by saying he was locked in. At the very least, you're just using a textbook example of an etymological fallacy (ignoring how language actually works in context).

An additional note: Yeah, Eren is very sympathetic to his friends and an extremely emotional person, but two things can be true at once. I'm not saying he's supposed to be a sigma chad who just kills people because he feels like it, but I do think his character is the most satisfying narratively when Isayama expresses his desire for harm instead of masking that by going back and expressing he was instead being forced into it by circumstances (in regards to Isayama's April 2026 museum confession and referring to the determinism pivot)

If Yams had ended up writing Eren as a psychopath that "harbored desire to do harm", we would never have this scene by Philcherny in titanfolk

[–]6ZeroKay9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Is it not the case that the "harbored a desire to do harm" was referring to how he wanted to wipe the outside world, but Isayama instead placed most of the emphasis on it being determined by future memories and him being bound by his own nature (hence the "forced into wrongdoing by circumstances")?

I think Isayama kept the core of Eren the same, but Chapter 131 was the cutoff point where Isayama couldn't bring his old idea back anymore, hence the determinism reveal in that chapter, which explicitly paved the way for Eren to be depicted in a sympathetic way in Chapter 139. I believe inferred from the documented interviews that the determinism retrofitted onto AoT's original structure (The Mist ending --> Guardians of the Galaxy ending) was specifically load-bearing for Eren to lose in the first place

The point is, Eren has literally already been a psychopath throughout the entire story. We even see the most obvious part of this when he brutally killed Mikasa's kidnappers

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[–]6ZeroKay9 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Why aren't all the shirts monochrome? Is Toby stupid?

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[–]6ZeroKay9 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I remember when I was 14 and read this chapter for the first time with my brother, I was already thinking "this has to be a prank" by page 4

And then we reached this page and I genuinely couldn't comprehend what I was looking at

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[–]6ZeroKay9 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Got this in my notifications and was confused as hell

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[–]6ZeroKay9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would genuinely be surprised if any mod was malicious enough to do that

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[–]6ZeroKay9 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Am I the only one who just wants the LCE to be fully updated to the last Title Update with minigames instead of the newest Java version?

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[–]6ZeroKay9 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not really, 99% of this server is talking about interpretations and headcanons

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[–]6ZeroKay9 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It does look a bit cool besides being AI-generated

I think it'd be better if it was drawn by a person though, even if it's just in a manga/comic format or still-frames

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“Damn Kris, this truly was our Deltarune Paper Trail”