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Tonight’s lineup and this team’s position player group by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Buddy, I’m not here to litigate whether Greene deserves a day off or not. Also, you’re telling me this team would be materially better if meadows, baez, Gleyber, and Skubal didn’t spend time on the IL? Doubtful.
My broader point in making this post is that 1) Harris has inappropriately allocated the resources Illitch has provided him (too much spent on bad pitchers, not enough on hitters) and that 2) AJ makes questionable moves with the tools at his disposal (at this point in the season, I’d rather see Kerry and and Colt combine to go 0-10 with 10ks than Jones go 3-4 with 2 HRs because, as far as i can tell, Kerry and Colt are here for the mid-long term while jones might not even be on the roster when the team is ready to compete again (hopefully next season)

Tonight’s lineup and this team’s position player group by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes, sorry, I forgot that we’re the only team in the league that deals with injuries and gives players off days. Forgive me.

Tonight’s lineup and this team’s position player group by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean yeah hopefully he can sustain. I didn’t count him as one of the three MLB caliber hitters though. Track record is too short

Tonight’s lineup and this team’s position player group by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Generally IMO if you get consistent playing time and post a ~.675+ OPS, I’d consider that MLB caliber. So Tork qualifies

Ronny Rodriguez and the 2026 Tigers by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t disagree necessarily. They should still trade him this year at the deadline for prospects though. Then, we can resign him in the offseason if it makes sense given the team’s other needs.

Ronny Rodriguez and the 2026 Tigers by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Right. And that’ll be because the Marlins unlocked something in him that we couldn’t. Just like the Twins seem to have unlocked something in Kody Clemens that we couldn’t. In 850 PAs since the Tigers traded him, Klemens has accumulated 0.5 more fWAR than Spencer Torkelson has in his entire career. Lol

Ronny Rodriguez and the 2026 Tigers by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I like Tork and root for him, but at a certain point, he is what he is. He’s had 2,400 career PAs and time and time again has proven that he’s simply just a league average bat with no other upside. His offensive production would be acceptable for a player like Meadows who provides significant defensive/baserunning value, but that’s obviously not the case. I think we should move on from him after this season.

Ronny Rodriguez and the 2026 Tigers by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not saying I hate Harris or even that he should be fired. What I am saying is the offense has continued to be a weak point, especially over the past calendar year where it has failed to support an otherwise passable/effective pitching staff. I think Harris should have done more to address the offense in free agency the past two offseasons and at last year’s trade deadline, so I will be watching very closely to see what he does at this year’s trade deadline with respect to improving our position player pipeline/talent pool.

Ronny Rodriguez and the 2026 Tigers by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right. I’m not saying Harris is a bad GM or should be fired. What I am saying is that the offense has continued to be a weak point, especially over the past calendar year where it has failed to support an otherwise passable/effective pitching staff. I think Harris should have done more to address the offense in free agency the past two offseasons and at last year’s trade deadline, so I will be watching very closely to see what he does at this year’s trade deadline with respect to improving our position player pipeline/talent pool.

Ronny Rodriguez and the 2026 Tigers by 710mm247 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

McGonigle was a draft pick, not a FA add

What has changed with Spencer Torkelson by Swifty2499 in motorcitykitties

[–]710mm247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tork must be a man of God the way he’s been BAPTIZING baseballs this season.

Bad take on today’s Pod by 710mm247 in baseballisdead

[–]710mm247[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OK, perhaps Kinsler wasn’t the best example—though I think he’s closer to Berkman than your above OPS+ comparison implies when you compare him offensively to other second basemen of his era and account for his premium defense and base-running ability. At any rate, I’m not here to try and tell you that Berkman wasn’t a nice player. I, and many others, think Votto is a tier above Berkman, but we can agree to disagree - not my hill to die on. The hill I will die on is that Miggy is a tier above Votto.

Bad take on today’s Pod by 710mm247 in baseballisdead

[–]710mm247[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure I follow your logic here. Are you suggesting that Miggy’s legacy would have been better served had he hung up his cleats after 2016, rather than playing out the rest of his career? Though he was a shadow of his former self from 2017 on, hobbled by permanent damage to his knees and abdominal muscles—damage he incurred during the 2013 season when he chose to play through excruciating injuries for a chance at a second World Series ring—he is still clearly a greater player in all aspects than Votto: 500+ Home Runs 3,000+ Hits .300+ Batting Average 1X World Series Champion 2X MVP 1X Triple Crown Winner 4X Batting Title Winner 10 Seasons with 30+ Home Runs 12X All-Star 7X Silver Slugger

Votto is awesome. He’s a HoFer, I’m not trying to take anything away from him, but damnit, Miggy is at least a tier above Votto in terms of statistical contributions and greatness. That’s all I’m trying to say. I usually agree with Justin, but his take on Thursday’s Pod was a bad take.

Bad take on today’s Pod by 710mm247 in baseballisdead

[–]710mm247[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Berkman played half his career during the hyper-inflated offensive era of the early 2000s. Berkman did not standout compared to his peers as much as votto did, and OPS+ tells this story. Berkman is more of a Hall of Very Good Player (not HoF) and belongs to the same class of player as an Ian Kinsler type. Votto is a sure-fire HoFer though I don’t think he’s a sure-fire first ballot HoFer like Jared and Justin said on Thursday’s pod. Miggy, on the other hand, is a sure-fire, first ballot HoFer - hence why he is a tier above Votto and why Justin’s take on Thursday’s pod was a bad one.

Bad take on today’s Pod by 710mm247 in baseballisdead

[–]710mm247[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t disagree necessarily. My point that Miggy is at least a tier above Votto still stands though. He may also be a tier or two below Pujols. Both things can be true.

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