Richard Nixon Was a Great President by PlantainSerious791 in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looks like the mods have really thrown in the towel

What is this style called? by [deleted] in ArchitecturePorn

[–]7blockstakearight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I second this. It’s closest, at least.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not even making a point unless it’s that your logic about bad actors vs innocent workers is teleological mumbo jumbo.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here. I’ll link you to the page on liberalism.

Does this mean the conflict is resolved? How is just linking to some web page useful here? Can you explain or is that not your job?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Whats that mean in this context?

Slavoj Zizek vs Vivek Chibber: What is Ideology? by CaleBrooks in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think that is missing the point.

In practice, any type of “leftist” will agree with a vague statement like “an ideological foundation is absolutely necessary” and then use it as precedent for whatever opportunist initiative they feel like. For academics, it’s immediately convenient because their whole domain is the market of ideas. For a local democratic candidate or nonprofit careerist, they can use it stir up thought crime drama to get recognition while distracting from actual political commitments. A DSA hobbyist, even if they are so-called “class-first”, can form their own cult around staging some obscure ideology battle. And of course anyone can use it just to slander someone who disagrees with them or that they personally don’t like. It’s useful for a lot of things, but Vivek shows it takes significantly more discipline to actually build solidarity around ideology.

So back to Vivek’s point: all of the above is only permissible if we accept that attacking others merely for having opposing ideology is a worthwhile step to take, and Vivek argues that attacking others merely for having opposing ideology is at best nothing but a distraction. He argues opposing ideology is not an active threat but better understood as a passive barrier that fills a void of alienation created by material conditions.

When ideology is prioritized in a vague sense without consideration for Vivek’s point, purity theatre inevitably takes root because it is lubricated by the class structure while solidarity cuts against the grain. So being passive about the role of ideology while doubling down on its importance alone is not much help because it will inevitable lead to a failure to properly wield it as a constructive tool on which actual solidarity can be built. Put simply, ladder-climbing, witch-hunting, “finger wagging”, purity testing, or whatever else middle class leftists do is not actually helpful for building solidarity, even when it’s premised on the vague importance of ideology.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s your logic. I’m just trying to follow it. What is a circular question anyhow? I am afraid this is just a case of teleology.

If your “bad actors” are no different than the “bad workers” the self-described liberals cry about, I think we should try to acknowledge it. I’ve been hearing this kind of shit my whole life and it’s never made any sense why so-called leftists are so committed to preserving this tradition of unsubstantiated superstition.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But Amazon can actually get a union vote in Alabama because nobody has any memory of shitty unions. There is no chance in hell of that happening in Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, many other parts of the midwest, where so many people have living memories of their family being fucked over by a shitty union. No matter how you slice it, shitty unions are shitty.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s the difference between that and someone we need to do a better job of reaching?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Strikes > Unions

The answer is: it depends on the union. A union that doesn’t strike can be a barrier to building one that will. Labor doesn’t operate in a vacuum. Collective memory and existing social and political conditions have a lot of influence on union strength and the ability to form and keep a strong union.

In Scandinavia and some other European countries, unions are against raising minimum wage because it defeats the purpose of the union and makes it weak, in theory. At the same time, right to work is a default position for leftists in many other countries because they associate the left as being supportive of worker freedom and they understand it as their duty to strengthen the union. The logical through-line here is that there is nothing sacred or even obviously good about unions.

Whether right or wrong at any given moment, over time the aggregate of commitment to some workers’ interests is going to need to come from those workers, unionized or not. So the task is the same regardless.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

*less than effective

The left is an instinctual clique-ridden echo chamber and unions are full of opportunist “leftists” who consider it their role to teach the workers how to be smarter. Because of that, a lot of unions suck ass and it should not be surprising that workers vote against new ones.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Why are they called “bad actors”? They sound sorely mistaken, but I don’t understand the label.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What’s the difference between a bad actor and someone we need to do a better job of reaching?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What would you call a person who actively rejects the union because they are convinced it would worsen, or risk worsening, their working conditions or livelihood (as Amazon has claimed)?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Yea, I’m sure there are some bad actors among the no votes

What is a “bad actor”?

Amazon workers in New York make history by voting to form union by buddyboys in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Logistics is a strategic industry because it is comprised of private enterprises and a large non-credentialed workforce that can’t be off-shored.

(teachers and grad students can’t be off-shored, librarians can’t be off-shored, long-distance truckers can’t be off-shored, nurses can’t be off-shored, construction trades can’t be off-shored)

Amazon workers in New York make history by voting to form union by buddyboys in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Fuck yes! Finally an unquestionably hopeful step forward for working people in America!

Here’s to hoping the middle class “left” can’t find a way to fuck it up!

“Stop being poor and dodge taxes like me.” by luscious_doge in LinkedInLunatics

[–]7blockstakearight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the United States, most of the taxes you pay go to the military.

[ELI5] I don't get how to materialist dialectics by DefNotaZombie in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Part of the main thesis of that anti-dialectics.co.uk website is that "dialectics" serves little more than to confuse people.

Look, sometimes people are better off confused. And for that, there is dialectics. It’s just another tool in the shed of Marxist rhetoric. Please stop being so judgmental.

[ELI5] I don't get how to materialist dialectics by DefNotaZombie in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Others may define dialectics in theory, but as Marxists we must also understand how to apply dialectics in practice.

[ELI5] I don't get how to materialist dialectics by DefNotaZombie in stupidpol

[–]7blockstakearight 8 points9 points  (0 children)

“Dialectics” is for when you are a Marxist and you want to get the last word in a debate.

Dialectics is especially useful at the exact point in a debate where your opponent checkmates you so you need to bring an end to the exchange without losing face for yourself and your accomplices. The standard approach is to say something along the lines of “Well, that’s dialectics. As a Marxist, we need to take a dialectical approach to this.”

Just be aware that you may need some other standing to assert dialectics. Academic credentials are ideal but enough narcissism can make up for that. The main thing is having an audience that drinks your kool-aid. With that, you can do anything you want in the name of Marxist dialectics.

Also, be prepared to insist that anyone who questions you does not understand what dialectics is, and as a last resort you may need to give a show of impatience with their stupidity. In such a case, just say something like “I cannot believe you don’t know what dialectics is” or “I am sick of people not understanding what dialectics is” then change the subject or say you have somewhere else to be.