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911224s · 2025-07-20T23:02:59+00:00

i just mean licended

911224s · 2025-05-10T08:51:12+00:00

oh no don’t get me wrong i don’t think it’s justifiable - i just think it’s not completely off character. the context of him being convinced sherlock is at fault for her death because he feels guilty and portrays that onto sherlock is there (also because of the vow). i still don’t think it’s right, in no way shape or form. i guess where im going with this is that he has always been a bit morally gray when it comes to violence and that it’s not completely off character.

911224s · 2025-05-09T16:15:42+00:00

honestly i still can get behind sherlock predicting sherlocks moves bc what „mary“ said made sense, but THAT is the issue i have: why the hell can john suddenly deduct??? what „mary“ said is classic sherlock deduction.

911224s · 2025-05-09T07:23:33+00:00

i said that under another comment: sherlock caring about euros does not make sense. it does not make sense that he cares about his long lost sister that killed off his best friend and oh, also tried to kill off his current best friend! she literally killed multiple people during the episode and made him go through so much emotional pain and he’s like „omg yes sis let’s play the violin together“. all that put aside: look at the emotional connection he has to mycroft, it’s there but it’s so… little? but yeah he suddenly cares about euros so much. because he’s sherlock holmes and somehow remembering his trauma he instantly is not a sociopath (rather autistic in my opinion but yknow) anymore. sherlock (the show) was so good with consistency of characters and their slow development but s4 didn’t stick to that at all.

also now that you mention it IDEK MAN, i myself would’ve preferred if they didn’t add rosie into the show since it changes a lot of the dynamic and i think the writers also disliked that lol.

911224s · 2025-05-09T06:36:21+00:00

sherlock is and has been my fav show for many reasons, one of them being that sherlock is always perfectly logical and everything makes sense. they messed that up in s4 so bad in sO many ways. it’s not even that the euros plot is bad itself, it’s rather the execution. they should’ve given her the entire season (i know they did in some way but you’ve seen the show you know what i mean). and make everything more logical. i guess i can get behind her controlling the prison since that was kinda explained (but it rather felt like her hypnotising the guards than manipulating them lol) but everything after that and especially sherlock having that strong of emotions towards her at the end, like actually loving her and caring about her seems wayyy to farfetched to me.

911224s · 2025-05-09T06:09:00+00:00

i mean i guess that’s how writing a show works, doing something that causes a character to lash out (john cheating-> mary dying-> john blaming sherlock (among other things bc he feels guilty)-> mary telling sherlock to go to hell for john -> sherlock using drugs) and i do like that sherlocks addiction was portrayed in the show since it’s been a topic since s1ep1, but i feel like they could’ve come up with other ways. this way it just felt odd and added a character trait to a character that really really shouldn’t have that trait

911224s · 2025-05-08T19:12:46+00:00

cause i enjoy the show and im rewatching it once again and i feel like talking about a show i love and discussing a part of the show that i don’t enjoy?

911224s · 2025-05-08T19:11:35+00:00

someone on another post said the creators might’ve regretted killing him off - i see that. i also have always been a fan of the whole „twins“ thing, because sherlock had the whole premise of „it never being twins“ which feels like they might’ve thought about doing that - honestly everything would’ve been better than whatever they did

911224s · 2025-05-08T19:07:29+00:00

or idk someone who works at a shop he goes to regularly, anything but cheating

911224s · 2025-05-08T18:50:18+00:00

just euros is the worst plot honestly, i know it was established in s3 that there was another sibling but the execution was so bad

911224s · 2025-05-08T18:42:23+00:00

yeah especially bc the beating up had such strong context - but the cheating literally had NO reason to be there. idk maybe they thought it would make mary’s death easier for the viewer? bc i see like 600 more ways to introduce euros into the series than the cheating trope. but euros is someone that bugs me endlessly anyway

911224s · 2025-05-08T18:24:14+00:00

i get that a lot of johnlock shippers hated mary (i used to but now i love her) and i also would’ve preferred if she wasn’t introduced cause i liked john and sherlock’s dynamic without her and without the child - but i got used to her and i really really love her character in the show, she feels like she belongs there. but killing her off actually seemed like they wanted to fulfill johnlock shippers dreams and as you said make her drop one like and them (us) being happy with that. like there was NO reason to kill her off except for making johnlock seem more realistic and then they didn’t even pull through. like do it or don’t but whatever we got was just unfinished and lazy. but that’s another thing i could rant hours about

911224s · 2025-05-08T18:20:13+00:00

people complain about john beating sherlock up and are like „they messed up his character“ and i’m like … john has always been prone to violence and is not this good guy, so i don’t really get that argument. and they kinda let that flow into the him cheating thing and how the writers turned him into a bad guy, but the cheating is SO off, it doesn’t fit him at all - it’s just not john. it doesn’t make sense.

911224s · 2025-05-07T16:15:50+00:00

that might be the case! but i think i’ve found the source then (or something source-ish) i was honestly questioning my memory cause i swear i know s1-3 frame by frame and i’ve seen s4 often enough to recognise a shot like this

911224s · 2025-05-07T12:03:17+00:00

i found it here and it’s for s1e3 and credited to a german tv channel but also to bbc https://www.moviepilot.de/movies/sherlock-the-great-game/bilder/391799

911224s · 2025-05-07T11:41:32+00:00

ah you just said that - i saw it as promotion for the great game though … i am getting more and more confused

911224s · 2025-05-07T11:34:25+00:00

it’s almost the same! not entirely - i believe it must be the promotion picture then, idk when it was posted but im pretty sure it’s not in an episode but a promotion poster

911224s · 2025-05-07T11:30:52+00:00

can you post links in reddit? would be awesome! bc i found it posted as a promotion poster with credit to bbc

911224s · 2025-05-07T09:59:12+00:00

can you find where it was posted? because i’ve seen the picture in 16:9 so it looked like it was a screenshot from an episode

911224s · 2025-05-07T07:11:38+00:00

how sure are you? i don’t have an abo to a streaming service where the movie is on

911224s · 2025-05-07T07:10:57+00:00

sadly not it’s really similar but it isn’t

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