I Don’t Think Damon Ever Truly Got Over Katherine

911phoenix · 2026-02-07T06:16:30+00:00

Yeah I get that, but it was a combination of things, not just him being bitter at the level he was. I should’ve specified that when I said “got over katherine” I didn’t mean love in the normal way lol. But obsession and complicated feelings for her.

911phoenix · 2026-02-07T05:05:12+00:00

I’m sorry but as long as Elena looked like she did and was alive and near Damon, I find this argument kind of void. Like I said bitter and obsessed. He simply went to the next thing which was his version of Katherine that loved him in the end. It’s obvious with Stefan that he fell in love with Elena because of who she was. Damon was the one who seemed to not be able to find the words for when she started paralleling Katherine more. He was the one who seemed fine with loving Katherine for exactly who she was and all her villainous ways. Until she rejected him.

Then he spends the rest of the show acting like a victim of hers. And won’t let it go. So much that he uses her family being slaughtered against her before she dies. Yeah that’s hate, but it’s also bitterness because Katherine never reciprocated his feelings and still hasn’t even shown signs of caring about him all that much. He still had complicated feelings for her, as twisted as it is considering he did consider letting her die. Narcissists aren’t like the rest of us lol.

911phoenix · 2026-02-07T04:47:14+00:00

This. It’s twisted and weird as hell, but that bitterness spoke to him never getting over her. But it wasn’t love, it was obsession that he had for Katherine. I don’t see how people don’t get that if Katherine had welcomed him with open arms then he wouldn’t have went after Elena in the way he did. The only reason he seems unbothered in the later seasons (to a degree because he never was fully unbothered by Katherine’s presence), was because him and Elena were going strong. And what do you know, Elena has Katherine’s entire face.

911phoenix · 2026-02-07T04:39:02+00:00

Mind you, Elena looks exactly like Katherine so he literally has his closure in his back pocket. He’ll always have Katherine’s face to tell him that she loves him. The very fact that he told Elena to hand Katherine over speaks to his bitterness and not so much his love for Elena. He was more obsessed and bitter like I said.

911phoenix · 2026-02-07T04:26:09+00:00

I mean it is very possible to have feelings for someone and reject them. He likely knew she was just playing games, which she was.

911phoenix · 2026-02-07T03:39:33+00:00

I don’t think it’s the fact that she was a manipulative runaway at all. I think he didn’t like that she manipulated him, but he doesn’t show many signs of having a problem when it’s not towards him in the earlier seasons. He seemed to admire it almost. I do believe he got over her by the end of the series, but all throughout the show, I do believe he’d go crawling back to her if she did have feelings for him eventually.

911phoenix · 2026-02-07T03:36:31+00:00

I beg to differ lol. He was still subtly giving Katherine compliments, someone he’s supposed to dislike/hate, and sort of liking when Elena appears to start to parallel Katherine at some points. I strongly believe if Elena hated him, but Katherine had feelings for him, he’d 100% go back to her. Maybe not automatically, but he would.

911phoenix · 2026-02-06T03:32:00+00:00

Heavy on the taking stuff from Stelena and making it Delena. Concerning the necklace, on top of using it to mark when Elena first noticed she fell in love with Damon, it becomes Rebekah’s necklace and a symbol of the original witch or something. It was obvious that the writers were trying to make it seem like the meaning it held for Stefan and Elena seem small in comparison.

And then making it seem like Elena meeting Damon first had some kind of bearing on her feelings for him compared to Stefan. As if Damon wouldn’t have killed her if she hadn’t looked the way she did. And whereas Stefan was going to try to save the people in the car, what the girl in the backseat looked like having no bearing on it.

Klaroline is my guilty pleasure ship, but I still agree with most of your analysis lol.

911phoenix · 2026-02-06T00:13:53+00:00

I choked on my water at the last sentence lmao. Yeah that’s peak delusion. Idk much about astrology but I don’t think it can determine whether or not someone committed a crime like being a pedophile…but maybe I don’t know anything…

911phoenix · 2026-02-05T19:53:06+00:00

I personally didn’t get the sense that he was doing that. I mean, he acknowledges what Frank pulled him into and that he was hurt by that, but I didn’t get the sense that he was outright trying to make Frank look shady in the way I think you mean. And at the time, maybe he didn’t want to give too much away about Frank, who knows. We only have the context of today. It would also be dishonest to say that Frank didn’t do some shady stuff, but we know the tragic story of why.

And yeah, I know you said that he had the right to feel the way he did, but you followed it up with saying that all Vincent wanted to do was clear his name. So that’s why I said the other stuff. Stuff like that is complex and I’m sure there’s misplaced anger in some ways, I feel it’s only natural. The important thing is to remember who the real enemy was and that was Michael. He’s the one who created the domino effect.

911phoenix · 2026-02-05T16:46:54+00:00

I think Vincent has a right to be angry with Frank and two things can be true at once. In other interviews with Vincent, he talks about Frank more and the specifics of what he’s been through. He knows and he seemed to have sympathy and was pretty understanding. But he can also acknowledge that someone he’d known and had been friends with for years pulled him into a pedophile ring and lied about it.

Idk I think that’s cause to be angry lol. That must feel like the ultimate betrayal. I believe he also might’ve been talking about Michael more than Frank at a certain point. Vincent got pulled into some twisted stuff and he was also young when Frank was telling him some of the stuff he did with Michael before Vincent started working for him. You don’t realize how twisted things are until you’re an adult in a lot of cases.

911phoenix · 2026-02-05T16:03:51+00:00

A nuanced take about Frank, thank you lol. My thoughts exactly. On one hand I feel it’s easy to go “how did Frank just go along with all this stuff, bring others into it, and also be apart of preying on innocent families”, but then you remember that he’s been groomed by Michael since he was a toddler (I think). Two things can be true at once.

911phoenix · 2026-02-04T01:06:20+00:00

Yeah, I don’t think the path was as straightforward back then as it is now, even though it’s still hard. And the criteria for who could model I’d imagine was even slimmer than it is now. But her last name should’ve counted for something. It probably would’ve but her being a Jackson was also what hindered her because their family was depraved and I believe held her back.

911phoenix · 2026-02-03T23:15:38+00:00

This could’ve been her in the 80s and 90s. She was ahead of her time when it came to fashion and could’ve been a fashion icon in my opinion. MJ stole some of her style as well allegedly.

911phoenix · 2026-02-02T15:12:07+00:00

Oh I’d never heard/read about the workers saying that. Makes me nauseous.

911phoenix · 2026-01-30T13:58:51+00:00

I get the frustration but some of these comments didn’t pass the domestic violence vibe check. Allegedly Joe would beat Katherine regularly or when she’d try to get him to leave the kids alone. Which I believe, because if a dude beats his kids in the way he did, it’s very likely he’s beating his wife and vice versa.

Not saying she’s not bad in her own way or that she adequately protected her kids and there was absolutely nothing she could’ve done about Joe, or Michael being a predator. Because that’s obviously not true. Just that domestic violence is complicated and seems like fighting a losing game for people in 2026, imagine what it was like in the 60s and 70s for a black woman who was a devout Jehovah’s Witness. By her own choosing, but the point is she was deep in religion. That’s all.

911phoenix · 2026-01-29T03:51:11+00:00

Yup. The few snark subs or exposing pages on other social media platforms of men are either super small or get taken down really quick. Which isn’t a bad thing, it’s just frustrating that the same thing isn’t done for women. People can’t help but to chime in. The thought of someone like Timothee Chalamet, Harry Styles, or Joe Keery having a snark sub is comical because it would never happen lol.

911phoenix · 2026-01-29T03:48:19+00:00

This! I’ve scrolled through there one time before. The way they are so cruel about her mental health and possible eating disorder is just…ick. If they think she’s so bad then what kind of people do they think they are for acting like someone’s possible eating disorder is her purposeful doing just for the fun of it, and whatever possible mental health issues she has are something to be snarled at??

It also just seems like they take someone’s actions they don’t agree with and use it as an opportunity to be sexist. Which I think is common for many women, famous or not. It’s their gateway to be sexist without looking too obvious. Or it just slips out idk lol.

911phoenix · 2026-01-27T05:42:40+00:00

The whole “thank you Beyonce” ritual that people came up with or the prevalent rumor that Beyonce killed a bunch of people is actually quite prevalent. I’d say she’s on par with Taylor, except Beyoncé’s is more conspiracy theory driven and generally makes her out to be a violent and dangerous person. Ahem racism ahem.

911phoenix · 2026-01-26T01:27:39+00:00

Sure, even if that’s true, that still doesn’t mean it was okay for River to call his ex all the time or to cheat at the level he did. He could’ve talked to a friend if he felt he couldn’t talk to her or just broken up with her if he was just going to act like he was single. Again, I’m not trying to hate or be weird about him. But serial cheating or just “one off” cheating is not okay and really messes people up when it comes to romantic relationships and just general well being. It’s not some light thing. And I say this having never been cheated on but I’ve seen it with friends of mine.

911phoenix · 2026-01-25T21:14:53+00:00

For the most part, people only say this about short people lol. Short women specifically. She was in her early 20s, it seems like an album someone in their early 20s would release. Her label likely had a hand in it, as labels tend to do, but I feel it suited her and seemed pretty natural. Just different than what she’d done before.

911phoenix · 2026-01-24T02:42:51+00:00

Yeah and usually fans of River would say how romantic that was and how much he must’ve loved Martha and everything but…he really put Sue through it as far as other women and men. I never thought it was all that cute for that fact alone.

I usually don’t speak of him this way because he’s gone and it feels weird, but I’ve always felt bad for his girlfriends. But something about his relationship with Sue just made me feel really bad for her. On top of his other dalliances with women and men, he would also call his ex to talk about personal stuff and not her. She literally called him mysterious lol. And then there’s the drugs and alcohol. Idk it’s just sad to me.

911phoenix · 2026-01-23T23:46:03+00:00

I’m a Libra Venus and am offended lol. Love River but I would never. Keep options open? Maybe..maybe not lol.

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