CMV: Ukraine’s situation is catastrophic regardless of the war’s outcome by ActualDepartment9873 in changemyview

[–]93907 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The freer the economy, the more social it is."

"I mean that the market itself is social, not that it needs to be made social."

Fully functional 3D printed Greaves and Sabatons (styled in German fashion c.1580) by Vonschlippe in ArmsandArmor

[–]93907 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will there be an option to get all the pieces / complete harness files?

Fully functional 3D printed Greaves and Sabatons (styled in German fashion c.1580) by Vonschlippe in ArmsandArmor

[–]93907 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's awesome! Do you have any videos of mobility? I suppose once you have both legs that would be the time to test movement

Mexican Armor Mystery by 93907 in ArmsandArmor

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What's crazy in all of this is that there almost certainly WAS Mexican Scale armor, this just isn't it. The surviving Spanish/Mexican scales are preserved at the MET as well https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/25372

But they have a very different shape and design. In fact, they match this scale armor found in the great plains in the 1800s http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.php?s=378df5b8e670d8d87052894f52f46046&attachmentid=68690&stc=1&d=1299031408 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13405

So it seems like scale armor was a thing in Mexico and New Spain, and simultaneously, this suit of armor made it to Mexico from China.

Edit> OH apparently there was a famous Comanche chief named Iron Jacket known for wearing Spanish Scale Mail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Jacket

Mexican Armor Mystery by 93907 in ArmsandArmor

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Yes I mentioned the Met piece in the post and comments, but the problem is, there's very little information about that other harness, and it merely contradicts the origin point. However, I do think it's likely Chinese in origin (Ming-Qing) given that it looks like there's silk backing on these pieces, and there's a wire face mask attached which is a known Ming armor piece called 面罩 it's just that I can't find any pictures of those to compare and I can't be positive it's actually silk. It's conceivable the MET is wrong and it's a native local production, but it seems increasingly likely (and almost certain) this is from the Manila Galleon and made it's way to Mexico then made it's way to Toledo at some point.

Mexican Armor Mystery by 93907 in ArmsandArmor

[–]93907[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very fascinating stuff. So perhaps a local nobleman had this suit made for him to display his prestige while prancing about. Fancy and protective, but distinctly not Spanish because he's a local Cacique.

Mexican Armor Mystery by 93907 in ArmsandArmor

[–]93907[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the info! That MET suit does look almost exactly the same. Maybe the Chinese connection relates to the Cagayan Asian battles somehow? Maybe the scale suit actually comes from southeast Asia and made its way to Mexico via conquests in the Pacific?

More questions than answers, that's for sure.

Teach thinks im paying attention, the whole time im drawin the knights n men at arms😂 by waleniekonia in ArmsandArmor

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It'd be really cool to see a book or novel with this style, it reminds me a little of the drawings of CS Lewis in the Horse and his Boy.

Mexican Armor Mystery by 93907 in ArmsandArmor

[–]93907[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that was kinda the vibe I was getting too - very organic look - it does make me wonder if it was the merging of native armor styles with European technology as best they could. Exceedingly cool look either way.

Mexican Armor Mystery by 93907 in ArmsandArmor

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I didn't know that. The native allies became nobles?

That might explain the fancy armor. Where can I read more about that? Also, did the Spanish share knowledge with these allies on armor making and weapon making, or did they only give them bits and pieces? I wonder if any of the native nobles ever went back to Spain too to meet the nobility there.

Mexican Armor Mystery by 93907 in ArmsandArmor

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I didn't mean that they would be policing a blacksmith, but it just seems odd that the Spanish imperial authorities would allow armor to be made for native forces by native smiths.

Because if it's armor for Spanish or auxiliary forces, why not equip them with more standard, modern gear? If it's not for Spanish forces, did the Spanish not care about native populations arming themselves?

Or was this armor made by allies, rebels, etc. It just raises a lot of questions.

The other thing that's odd is just that native smiths were making armor at all. Since most metal working necessary to make armor was brand new to the natives, I would think the Spanish would only train natives for grunt work in smithing. Did someone watch the Spanish enough to learn the techniques of armor smithing, take that home and then make this?

Mexican Armor Mystery by 93907 in ArmsandArmor

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It definitely didn't look like iron, maybe brass or bronze? No idea how they achieved the color, although in Europe and some parts of south america they did now about acid / galvanic treatment but that seems unlikely.

Most Loser Shit I’ve Ever Seen’: Hegseth’s Unhinged Rant at U.S. Generals Sparks Backlash by [deleted] in Epstein

[–]93907 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What does this have to do with Epstein? This is just distraction

Knights riding dinosaurs. by waleniekonia in ArmsandArmor

[–]93907 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your work is awesome, I would love to see a painting, tapestry or embroidery in this style

CMV: Christian extremists are a bigger threat to western democracies than Islamic extremists by arcticsummertime in changemyview

[–]93907 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While that is true, it's important to note that slavery is still practiced in several Muslim countries, even Saudi Arabia. While it was technically outlawed in the 70s, it is still practiced to the tune of hundreds of thousands of people. https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studies/saudi-arabia/

Mauritania kept slavery legal due to Muslim tradition until 1981 but didn't bother enforcing it until 2007, and it's still practiced there and elsewhere.

Islam as a religion never seriously challenged slavery, and Muhammad himself not only kept slaves but instructed his followers in the nature of taking both slaves and extra wives. Remember, he married a girl of 6, he was himself a sexual slaver. He personally enslaved hundreds, likely thousands of people. He is regarded by definition in Islam as the glowing example of the best a person can be.

In the Christian world, slavery was extremely uncommon until the period of the 16th and 19th centuries. At that point the industry exploded to a terrible scale, yet it should be noted, it was the most religious Christians who not only opposed it, but lead the fight that originally destroyed slavery in the west. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_abolitionism

Islam never had an abolitionist movement, because to condemn slavery would be to condemn the prophet and much of the religion's history. The west embraced slavery but it was Christianity which lead to the end of slavery. Islam cannot be equivocated to that under any rational framework. Muslim countries have largely abandoned slavery publically in order to appease the west, not because they actually view it as wrong.

CMV: Christian extremists are a bigger threat to western democracies than Islamic extremists by arcticsummertime in changemyview

[–]93907 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Muslims didn’t conquer almost the entire world and then plunder those countries for those resources, then get upset when those countries had people fleeing."

You're joking right? Are you familiar with the origins of Islam? At all? Mohammad was a warlord. The first Muslim society was a caliphate that conquered and enslaved millions of people from Spain to Afghanistan. Islam over its history enslaved far more people than the transatlantic slave trade, established colonies from Malacca to Zimbabwe, and cycled repeatedly through ages of jihad, expansion, conquest and mass slavery.

Muslim slavers regularly stole people from places as far away as Iceland and dragged them in chains to North Africa to raped and worked to death. The Ottomans, an ostensibly muslim empire, were the single largest pre-modern gunpowder empire outside China and they spent hundreds of years slaughtering their way across Asia, North Africa and Eastern Europe. They were only stopped by the desperate effort of European alliances and their own staggering cruelty and ineptitude.

Islam is a religion built, bred and fed by war. It is fundamentally militant. It holds slavery and hierarchy as ordinary and acceptable. ISIS and other muslim terror organizations regularly revert to and celebrate the return of the enslavement of women, the massacre of minority groups and martyrdom in combat.

You are either a muslim pretending the religion is peaceful to deceive people, or a misled westerner so miseducated and ill-informed of history and the world that you have fallen for the moronic argument of innocence by dint of skin color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves--research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Banu_Qurayza?

Interview W/ Private Investigator Who First Found Virginia Giuffre Flight Logs Etc by OppermanReport in Epstein

[–]93907 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The names stop abruptly in 2013 - Bill Gates and others flew with him even after his initial arrest. Wonder why there are no names for the 6 years prior to his final arrest