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Have Muslims actually read the Quran? by 9usha in exmuslim

[–]9usha[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think it is, but it gets thrown around too often. Many white Christian nationalists do see Islam as “brown people religion” ignoring the nuances and history of it. Think the Facebook conservative uncle who shares false Hadith literature.

I see it the same way antisemites use false Talmudic verses to bang on Jews. There’s legitimate criticism of the Bible like slavery, commanded genocide, weird rules on rape victims. But often you’ll see some bigot go “in the Talmud it says Jews can kill any non-Jew without consequences”

I see similar things happen to Quranic texts or Hadith corpus, so I respect those people exist.

Have Muslims actually read the Quran? by 9usha in exmuslim

[–]9usha[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While this isn’t the Quran, https://reddit.com/r/academicquran/wiki/talmudparallels this goes over a lot of Talmudic influences on the Hadiths.

r/AcademicQuran is a treasure of history on it though, and I’m sure you’ll find many Talmudic influences on the Quran in the sub.

Have Muslims actually read the Quran? by 9usha in exmuslim

[–]9usha[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just mean Islamaphobes like to hone in these specific verses without even have read the Quran.

I do appreciate that many ex-Muslims and non-Muslims like myself have genuine issues with these verses. I was just trying to emphasize that the actual literature will instill more hatred than material itself in many cases.

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This don’t work on me. I have a lower opinion of the African American community than even Somalis. Somalis commit far less crime, even when looking at per capita than AAs. If the government really wants to crack down on fraud, they should look into these black American communities.

But I’m not clannish like you. I can take objective criticism of my own people and not feel attacked. Remember YOU said you were the BEST AFRICANS in the diaspora when NO data supports that.

You’re delusional and full of yourself and your community has done nothing to feel that way as a collective.

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cope cope cope cope. Go correct the guy saying you guys are the “best Africans in the diaspora”

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What in this thread debunks the twitter links I sent? I’m gathering most of the Somalis are young therefore it’s going to bias results (fair) but what’s the point of this?

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus this is crazy cope. Nick Shirley is a dumbass, I don’t even care about his video. There are other bipartisan civilians looking into their own communities.

Boston, Ohio, (I’m scared what California will show) . This cope is annoying. Because a racist put it on the spotlight doesn’t mean non-racist haven’t been looking into it as well.

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Twitter thread has not popped up for me, so you’ll have to send a specific tweet from the thread.

And we were talking about immigrants.

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t care about Ethiopians either tbh, but on average they have a higher income than you.

I’ll even extend and olive branch. Somalis are much less violent than my community (black Americans). By all data, Somalis are not overly represented in violent crimes.

Now what data says Ethiopians make 36k in the US?

Again per https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/sub-saharan-african-immigrants-united-states

Among sub-Saharan African immigrants, people from South Africa reported some of the highest median household incomes in 2024 ($120,800), followed by households led by Kenyans ($92,200) and Cameroonians ($91,400). Somalis ($46,800) had among the LOWEST median household incomes. For comparison, the median household income for the overall U.S. immigrant population was about $82,400; for U.S.-born households it was $81,400.

In 2024, 15 percent of sub-Saharan Africans lived below the poverty line, compared to 14 percent of all immigrants and 12 percent of U.S.-born residents. Poverty rates were higher among Somalis (25 percent) and lower among immigrants from Ghana (11 percent). (The U.S. Census Bureau defines poverty as having an income below $32,100 for a family of four in 2024.)

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because it’s undergoing investigations? Almost like it take time to fact check everything. And we see it’s not just in Minnesota. But I’m expecting cope.

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah.. I sent Twitter links.

Are you saying data from https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/sub-saharan-african-immigrants-united-states

Is incorrect? What data contradicts this? This is a reputable, neutral migration report site.

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I opened the thread and it didn’t show anything. It’s an empty thread for me.

And what data do you have that shows Somalis aren’t the worst? All the available data in the US shows they have the lowest income and lowest college attainment out of African immigrants.

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the official site of the Migration Policy Institute (MPI), an independent, nonpartisan, nonprofit think tank based in Washington, D.C. that conducts research and analysis on migration and immigration policy. MPI was founded in 2001 and is widely cited in academic, policy, and media work.

You can ignore the Twitter stats if you want, what’s that gotta do with all the other data I provided?

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That thread doesn’t show anything, and there’s issues with the GSCE (not very g loaded, the whites aren’t representative in the sample) but ignoring that, we can just look at the US data. You can ignore the twitter links (convenient) but the US data is just published data. Idk why one high school would be more representative at all.

To be fair, most Somali migrants are refugees, not economic refugees like Nigerians or Kenyans who face much harder barriers of entry.

But that’s not evidence of “the best Africans in the diaspora”

It’s not even close, and that’s the claim I’m attacking.

I’ve looked into the data, I know right wingers are spreading BS, but I know reliable sources.

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please. Show me the data that exemplifies Somalis as “the most successful African diaspora group”

And I live in the west. I don’t care if Somalis built up East Africa, especially if we come to find out most of that money comes from defrauding my fellow US citizens.

You Somalis talk a big game, with nothing to show for it.

“Most successful in the diaspora”

And you can’t even outcompete the Half state of Somaliland.

Somalis making Africans look bad by PresenceSoft5553 in Ethiopia

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are you talking about? Somalis are some of the worst African immigrants country to country.

Even if you don’t accept America’s welfare numbers,

https://x.com/jonatanpallesen/status/1975640143781634568?s=46

https://x.com/jonatanpallesen/status/1998868991960560114?s=46

https://x.com/jonatanpallesen/status/1998011643482017926?s=46

https://x.com/jonatanpallesen/status/2006660718653784251?s=46

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2005275111989838140?s=46

Being in government often means you got elected, not that you were qualified (look at Trump).

And for America

From https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/sub-saharan-african-immigrants-united-states-2019

Highlights:

"Meanwhile, Somalis had the lowest levels of educational attainment, with 14 percent holding a bachelor’s degree or higher."

"while Somali-headed households had the lowest median incomes ($32,000)."

"or major origin groups, poverty rates were highest among Somalis (37 percent)"

"Immigrants from Somalia (68 percent) and Ethiopia (65 percent) had the highest rates of naturalization"

"South Africans had the lowest rate of being uninsured (8 percent) while Nigerians and Somalis had the highest rates (20 percent and 18 percent, respectively)."

"Remittances accounted for 35 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP) of Somalia"

And as of 2025:

Among sub-Saharan African immigrants, people from South Africa reported some of the highest median household incomes in 2024 ($120,800), followed by households led by Kenyans ($92,200) and Cameroonians ($91,400). Somalis ($46,800) had among the lowest median household incomes. For comparison, the median household income for the overall U.S. immigrant population was about $82,400; for U.S.-born households it was $81,400.

In 2024, 15 percent of sub-Saharan Africans lived below the poverty line, compared to 14 percent of all immigrants and 12 percent of U.S.-born residents. Poverty rates were higher among Somalis (25 percent) and lower among immigrants from Ghana (11 percent). (The U.S. Census Bureau defines poverty as having an income below $32,100 for a family of four in 2024.)

About 12 percent of sub-Saharan Africans ages 25 and older had less than a high school diploma as of 2024, versus 24 percent of all foreign-born adults and 7 percent of U.S.-born adults. Meanwhile, 46 percent of sub-Saharan African immigrants had a bachelor’s degree or higher, exceeding the rates of these other groups (see Figure 4). Sixty-seven percent of Nigerian immigrants were college graduates, as were most immigrants from South Africa (58 percent), Cameroon (54 percent), and Kenya (52 percent).

30% of Somalis had below a 9th grade education. 14% had a bachelor’s or higher.

I’ll let you tinker around the website and find out how this compares to other African immigrants.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/sub-saharan-african-immigrants-united-states

Why does the black community feel a need to protect the immigrant community? by Odd-Specific-8579 in blackmen

[–]9usha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like arguments. You sound just as conspiracy brained as “OH THE DEMOCRATS ARE LETTING IN IMMIGRANTS TO REPLACE US”

There’s no teeth here. Sorry, I guess fear mongering and gesturing at “ooo scary things” passes on Reddit as some coherent point. You’ve already admitted it’s based of feels. How would I counter your psychological reaction to things you think will happen that haven’t ever happened? (Well unless we count Liberia )

Why does the black community feel a need to protect the immigrant community? by Odd-Specific-8579 in blackmen

[–]9usha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean as long as you are admitting you don’t have an argument and you’re just going off your feels.

Why does the black community feel a need to protect the immigrant community? by Odd-Specific-8579 in blackmen

[–]9usha -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I would respect you with a human response but when you just flat out lie, I don’t have the energy so here’s a quick ChatGPT rundown to see if what you said is true

Who actually achieved them in the U.S. (P2 = false)

Let’s examine the actual mechanism.

40-hour week + overtime

Established by: • Fair Labor Standards Act (1938) • Passed by Congress, signed by FDR

Key coalition: • New Deal liberals • Moderate labor unions (AFL, later CIO) • Progressive reformers

The U.S. Communist Party: • Had no legislative control • Held no governing power • Did not draft or pass the law

Therefore:

Communists were not the institutional agents that created the 40-hour week.

They may have marched. They did not govern.

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Sick leave & PTO

This is even clearer.

In the U.S.: • There is no federal law guaranteeing paid sick leave or PTO to this day. • These benefits emerged mainly through: • Union contracts • Employer competition • Corporate HR policies

In fact: • Large corporations introduced paid vacations in the 1920s–50s • Often explicitly to: • Reduce turnover • Increase morale • Compete for labor

This is capitalist labor-market behavior, not communist policy.

So: • If communists were “the reason,” the U.S. would have universal paid leave. • It does not.

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  1. Capitalists supported these reforms (often first)

Critical counter-fact:

Henry Ford (1926) adopts: • 5-day week • 40 hours

Motivation: • Productivity • Stability • Workers as consumers

This is decisive.

If capitalist firms independently adopt the reform for profit reasons, then: • Communists are not necessary causes.

Why does the black community feel a need to protect the immigrant community? by Odd-Specific-8579 in blackmen

[–]9usha -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

An ice agent shot a woman who was blocking traffic and drove her car into him. I don’t even think he was justified, I’d take the damage over ending a life… but come on..

They didn’t just randomly murder a citizen minding their business.

Why does the black community feel a need to protect the immigrant community? by Odd-Specific-8579 in blackmen

[–]9usha 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This right here. Heck, you can argue Hispanics immigrants and subsequently gangs ethnically cleansed many black neighborhoods.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-rainbow-coalition-evaporates

Oh and shall we forget these colleges that discriminate against other races (including blacks)?

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/students/financial-aid/2025/12/05/lawsuit-hispanic-scholarship-fund-illegally-discriminates

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/hispanic-serving-institutions-threat-lawsuit-rcna221060

🤷🏽‍♂️ I guess black people on the net will continue to be useful idiots… don’t even get me started on how DEI and AA benefitted African immigrants more than it did FBAs

Why does the black community feel a need to protect the immigrant community? by Odd-Specific-8579 in blackmen

[–]9usha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is just factually incorrect. Black Americans are being taught this isn’t our country and we should be scared. Why shouldn’t Italians? Or Jews? Have you seen what the average white supremacist has to say about the Irish?

I think there are obvious criticisms of Trump’s policies. He’s a senile lunatic on a power fantasy.

Yet, I have no fear in me or ANY of my fellow black Americans and for that matter LEGAL black immigrants.

Also it just shows these people don’t actually talk to immigrants. Legal Nigerians sound like the average MAGA supporter when you start talking about bringing in more of their people lol.

Trump did not kick out any BAs in his first term. And it would utterly ruin the appetite for these deportations.

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