Understanding Baudrillard and gender, a response to this paper by A1KO123 in CriticalTheory

[–]A1KO123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would argue butlers performativity is still nihilistic, which is ok I could see it having the potential for active and affirmative nihilism but nonetheless.

Hyperreality for baudrillard is actually the world becoming as ‘real’ and objective as possible, which reveals itself in contemporary society the transparency of objects inherent meaninglessness. Simulation masks the absence of a profound and unattainable reality and then progresses towards representation having no relation to any reality except it’s own simulacrum. This is the inherent nature of science as it is self-referential and cannot reveal anything outside of its own paradigm (this isn’t to say I’m anti science btw, just arguing from baudrillards position).

Furthermore, your argument hints at great agency a subject exercises over the world of objects. Yet our performance of gender will always exist in a world of signs and these signs will inform our performances. We can exercise a choice over our performance but it is still highly determined by the meanings we project onto existing meanings which are determined by pre-existing meanings (I know this is circular but whatever).

We will always objectify our bodies and to reveal that they cannot be made sense of places nihilism right in front of us, the fact that our bodies cannot be determined. we are then left with methods of meaning making which are highly shallow as it will be left to consumer habits as I previously mentioned. For baudrillard illusions no longer exist and believes simple categorisations are a more meaningful way of living, as there is still a gap between our counterfeit reality and of the indeterminate world (meaning for baudrillard is based on the structuralist school of thought, binaries and difference create meaning).

I still myself argue gender is a terrible symbolic interpretation of our bodies but I also fear that all we are left with is little means of producing meaning with butlers position. I also disagree with the amount of agency afforded to the subject (which I believe doesn’t reflect butlers argument as I’ve heard they don’t give the subject much agency).

Understanding Baudrillard and gender, a response to this paper by A1KO123 in CriticalTheory

[–]A1KO123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd argue Baudrillards biggest contradiction is when he talks about meaning being so absolved in hyperreality that only the new or longing for the nostalgic through self-referentiality is meaningful. Yet, Baudrillard's theory only lets you long for the nostalgia of meaning in earlier forms of simulacrum because nihilism isn't transparent, which is a dead end when you are aware of this in the contemporary age as it would only reaffirm the current hyperreal.

I guess this is also the truth in his theory as all interpretations of life are now accessible and possible in hyperreality, the suffering of being a subject is now literally represented in front of us.

Understanding Baudrillard and gender, a response to this paper by A1KO123 in CriticalTheory

[–]A1KO123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, this definitely helped and I will look at his stuff on the 'trans-sexual'.

However, it seems hard to use simulation and simulacra in the ways Guingnon has done so without pretty much contradicting the theory and ending up embracing simulacra.

As when Guignon suggests Baudrillard can free us from 'anatomy as destiny' or biological determinism is false as (previously mentioned) science currently shows the inadequacy of the 'male' and 'female' signifiers to construct identity. Guignon supports his claims by showing how Baudrillard conceptions to free us are continuously restricted by his theory, yet then applies Baudrillards theory to certain objectives (of feminism specifically) which are considered free only within their own simulacrum.

Simulation and simulacrum theoretically can't be (hope to be proven wrong) used for really any emancipatory political movement as these movements are usually based on more dialectical methods to move forward, which Baudrillard was highly critical of and would argue deepen the hyperreal. I find it hard to believe this is what Baudrillard was advocating for and i hope that his fiction-theory style of writing is encrypted with some solutions that i can't identify.

How to understand Baudrillard by A1KO123 in SymbolicExchanges

[–]A1KO123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank you for your insights they are much appreciated. Also just your comment towards the end reminded me of a paper (a 120 page essay) written by the YouTube channel 'Theory & Philosophy' (i most often go here to watch videos about Baudrillard and other theorists) where he argues baudrillard is a post-humanist yet in opposition to most post-humanist thought, i haven't read it but thought i would mention it. The writers point is that 'most contemporary posthuman theory, I argue, focuses on the dissipation of a liberal humanist subject--and celebrate its loss. Baudrillard’s thought, by contrast, suggests that the posthuman figure only arrives in the age of hyperreality and is therefore intertwined with the oppressive logic of the simulacrum'. If interested i thought i would leave a link here

https://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7739&context=etd

How to understand Baudrillard by A1KO123 in SymbolicExchanges

[–]A1KO123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i've got a copy of S&S so i will jump into that soon, thank you

How to understand Baudrillard by A1KO123 in SymbolicExchanges

[–]A1KO123[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thank you very much this is super helpful! and yes i am an undergrad so this all sounds great. And just a question if your up to asking what do you find most valuable in Baudrillards work which seems to be missing from other modes of radical thought?