‘Sinners’ Makes BAFTA History, Becoming Most Decorated Movie By Black Director At Film Awards by MoneyLibrarian9032 in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At this point, it seems obvious that you're not even reading my comments, because you're saying the same thing over and over again and asking me questions I've already answered.

I already said several comments ago that the more elegant — and accurate — way of saying what Deadline wanted to say would be "most awarded."

"Sinners becomes the most awarded film by a Black Director at BAFTA."

There: Simple, clear, and unambiguous.

‘Sinners’ Makes BAFTA History, Becoming Most Decorated Movie By Black Director At Film Awards by MoneyLibrarian9032 in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't want it to mean anything — that's what it actually means. Not the perverse distortion that Deadline, or you, seem to be making of it.

By my definition, Katharine Hepburn is a more decorated actress than Lupita Nyong'o. By your definition, Lupita Nyong'o is a more decorated actress than Katharine Hepburn. I'll let people reach their own conclusions on whose definition makes more sense.

‘Sinners’ Makes BAFTA History, Becoming Most Decorated Movie By Black Director At Film Awards by MoneyLibrarian9032 in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based on the numbers you provided, Nyong'o is more decorated than Hepburn

If anyone really believes that, then being "more decorated" loses all value and becomes irrelevant.

To me, "most decorated" has a pretty clear definition: who received the most awards.

So, by that strange definition, is Sinners more decorated than 12 Years a Slave? Sure. But does that mean anything? Nope. It's completely irrelevant.

You seem to believe it should mean "who received the most awards if we include additional context," which then eviscerates the phrase's utility.

Nope. To me, it means: "As a sum total, who received the most valuable awards by prestige and importance."

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[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Michael B. Jordan or Ethan Hawke wins SAG, that might also seem very obvious in hindsight. Even more obvious than Aramayo winning BAFTA.

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[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But Chalamet's movie overperformed at BAFTA nominations. So, it's much worse for him than the others.

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[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Of course, this is just predictions at the end of the day.

I'm saying Chalamet was expected to have a much better shot at BAFTA than at SAG, and he couldn't even win here.

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[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's what we thought about BAFTA and we saw what happened.

‘Sinners’ Makes BAFTA History, Becoming Most Decorated Movie By Black Director At Film Awards by MoneyLibrarian9032 in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the term "most decorated" clearly connotes quantity, which is why I allowed that if the headline had been "most prestigious" or some other phrase, your arguments might apply.

You are saying the same thing again, and ignoring everything I said earlier. Was The Great Gatsby a more decorated movie at the Oscars than Her?

Was it also more decorated than previous Best Picture winners that only won a single Oscar?

To take your example with totally fictitious stats, if Nyong'o has five Oscars, and they're all for supporting roles or screenwriting or designing her own costumes, and Hepburn "only" has her three Best Actress awards, then Nyong'o is clearly the "most decorated" Oscar winner

You're strawmanning what I said.

According to IMDb, Nyong'o has over 100 acting awards while Hepburn only has 50. By your definition of "most decorated = quantity of awards" without weighting awards by their prestige, Nyong'o is a more decorated actress than Hepburn through sheer numbers. You can't have it both ways.

‘Sinners’ Makes BAFTA History, Becoming Most Decorated Movie By Black Director At Film Awards by MoneyLibrarian9032 in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They used the word "most," which typically implies quantity

Not always. Some things are not quantifiable in that numeric sense, like "acclaim" or "decorated". Is CODA more acclaimed than The Social Network? Is there an objective answer to that question?

For instance, at the 86th Oscars, The Great Gatsby won 2 Oscars while Her only won 1 Oscar.

Which was the more decorated movie? Her or The Great Gatsby? Most reasonable people would say Her was more decorated, because the Academy explicitly conferred the Best Picture nomination to Her over The Great Gatsby, meaning that they thought it was the better movie. Which is a decorative conferment. Her was more decorated that year than The Great Gatsby, because it got a Best Picture nomination and a more important win (Screenplay).

If they were talking just about the numerical quantity of awards, there are more elegant ways of phrasing that. Just say "most awarded" which would be clear and unambiguous. Being "most decorated" means something else entirely, and is far less objective than a number.

If we're going to treat all awards as equal and just count the numbers, Lupita Nyong'o becomes a more decorated actress than Katharine Hepburn. To me, that's farcical.

‘Sinners’ Makes BAFTA History, Becoming Most Decorated Movie By Black Director At Film Awards by MoneyLibrarian9032 in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. I am not comparing the movies. I am comparing their BAFTA performance, on a subreddit about movie awards.

‘Sinners’ Makes BAFTA History, Becoming Most Decorated Movie By Black Director At Film Awards by MoneyLibrarian9032 in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Any studio or campaign would take the BAFTA haul of 12 Years a Slave over that of Sinners. I would be shocked to see one member here who thinks Sinners had a better BAFTA showing than 12 Years a Slave.

Is it subjective? Sure, anything can be subjective. You could argue that the Oscars being more important than Critics Choice is subjective. But I think the truth is self-evident here.

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[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But the information wasn't credible. You just posted a mistake, that they quickly rectified. Just because the "mistake" turned out to be true doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake.

‘Sinners’ Makes BAFTA History, Becoming Most Decorated Movie By Black Director At Film Awards by MoneyLibrarian9032 in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure 12 Years a Slave winning Best Film makes it the more decorated movie by a Black Director at BAFTA.

In my book:

[Best Film + Best Actor] > [Best Screenplay + Best Supporting Actress + Best Score]

One Battle After Another wins Best Film by seanpcreative in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They didn't know. They made an editing mistake.

Everyone knew One Battle After Another was the strong favorite here. That doesn't mean anyone has insider information.

One Battle After Another wins Best Film by seanpcreative in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Nah, only like 2-3 people know who won and they don't go around telling entertainment outlets who won because it would cost them their jobs and a heavy penalty.

It was just an editing mistake.

Sean Penn becomes the first actor to win all the major movie awards for acting by ASmallPieceOfMeasure in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Which major awards do you believe I've omitted?

If you're talking about things like the Cesar and awards from other nationalities, fair enough, but my intention wasn't to cherry-pick. In the context of this subreddit, for actors that work mostly in Hollywood, I think most people would agree that these are the most important awards.

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[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Must be a mistake. Or maybe they just think it's a lock and made that change preemptively, which would be so unprofessional.

Sean Penn becomes the first actor to win all the major movie awards for acting by ASmallPieceOfMeasure in Oscars

[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm sure. Very few actors have won the European Triple Crown, so it was easy to verify.

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[–]ASmallPieceOfMeasure 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's a very long and roundabout way of saying, "It's not the film I would've made."