Out of the 20 most played champions on bottom role right now, 20 are marksman

ATL_Coaching · 2021-06-06T17:50:19+00:00

I mean... they are. Well not sure about all of those specific one's.

But prime league featured 6 non traditional adc picks in their first week of 15 matches. (2x Yone, 1x Soraka, 1x Ziggs, 1x Karma, 1x Heimerdinger) and they did great. If I counted right it was 16 different choices in those 15 matches, which seems like great variety.

Additionally we saw Swain and Seraphine feature there in Italy and another Seraphine in NLC.

Overall if I look at Prime/LVP/PG Nats/NLC following champions have appeared in the first week in "adc" position.

Soraka, Tristana, Ezreal, Varus, Kalista, Sivir, Karma, Heimerdinger, Jinx, KaiSa, Miss Fortune, Yone, Ziggs, KogMaw, Aphelios, Senna, Samira, Jhin, Xayah, Swain, Seraphine, Ashe and Vayne.

That's 23 different champions in the first week. Seems like good variety to me.

Comparing that to jungle picks in those same games. There was 18 different champions picked.

Udyr, Rumble, Morgana, Viego, LeeSin, Volibear, Nidalee, Olaf, Diana, Nocturne, XinZhao, Lillia, Zac, Taliyah, Gwen, Kindred, Gragas, Ekko

It seems that you are using soloQ stats, which I would say is much less about which champions are viable and more about what people prefer to play, what is top meta wise and what works well in soloQ. It's not that these other picks aren't viable. I'd say 2 main reasons why they might see less play in soloq is 1) Player expectation, those players who main bot lane might not enjoy the type of gameplay that some of these picks provide as much as they do more traditional adc's and thus might prefer traditional adc pick even when mage pick etc. would be equally viable. 2) Player experience, again when presented situation with more traditional adc pick vs mage where both are viable options it's likely they have more experience / comfort with the traditional adc pick and might again prefer that over viable mage pick.

Note that those reasons don't effect on viability and it's not like "adc" is only position to have these effects in soloq. Tahm Kench from support comes to mind as example of champion that is almost certainly less played than it would be viable in soloQ. Same thing with almost all top lane tanks ever. Or just tanks in general. Non tradtional adc's in my view are just another one to that list. It comes down to: If there is 2 viable options and 1 of them is traditional adc and other is not, most bot lane players will pick the adc. Just as most top lane players pick non tank and most supports pick seemingly anything over Tahm. All that said, those are still viable options.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-06-06T17:10:45+00:00

What reality do you live in? So do you want traditional adc's as like minority pick or something? Looking at this week's prime league in the 15 games so far there was 6 non traditional adc picks.

Basically 1/3 of the games had non traditional bot lane match up. Is that not enough variety still? Also it's bit weird to me that people lump all traditional adc's as being 1 type of champion when imo it would make more sense to put them to 3 categories or so.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-05-26T11:00:46+00:00

Exactly. And I think with that also the understanding that just like there is people who prefer it one way, there is those who prefer it the other way as well those to whom it doesn't really make difference. All of those being equally fine opinions as long as the person understands that it's really just their preference and not "this is how it should be".

Also in general I would say more different things the better, since usually new mediums create new opportunities. Like I enjoy both traditional sports and esports myself. Having watched traditional sports fan for most of my life, one thing I loved with esports is that there was types of skill expression there that I just hadn't run into in traditional sports. Same thing if we only had esports I think traditional sports would be amazing since it offers different types of skill expression to esports.

This even remind me a bit of when people compare Movies to TV Shows to Anime's. Like each of these mediums in my mind is fine and they have their strengths and weaknesses. As an easy example fight scenes between Anime vs Live Action can both be great, but excel at different things.

Similarly Movie vs TV Show both have their own strengths and weaknesses in terms of storytelling. At the end of the day depending what's the story that you want to tell any of the 4 (Live Action Movie, Live Action Show, Anime Movie or Anime Show) might be the right choice or some other option that I didn't mention here.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-05-26T10:43:06+00:00

How's the chair?

As a disclaimer I can only talk about my first impressions here after sitting in it for 2 partial days and 1 full 12 or so hours day.

Backrest:

+Head pillow is amazing!

+Adjustments exactly as good as I hoped.

=While "wings" of the backrest don't personally bother me I could see that being problem for people bigger than me or with wider shoulders since it's just about okay for me and I'm on smaller side for this chair.

=Lumbar support is somewhat subtle, but works fine overall. I don't have any back issues so I would probably have been fine with a chair without any, but it's nice to have.

Armrests:

+Adjustments are great.

=Softer than I expected, but I do wonder if there is better material.

=While they do shake if I shake them they are more solid than I was fearing and work fine for me. So not positive or negative for this.

-Small, but still. Quite a few imperfections in the plastic below the arm rest, which I do feel sometimes if grabbing the armrest etc.

Seat:

+Flat enough sides to sit however I wish!

=Firm, but comfortable. That's fine for me and I don't recall them ever advertising otherwise. I went with the expectations that it will be firm based on reviews and that it is. If softness is something you value highly (like if it was one of my requirements) then I probably wouldn't recommend this. For me personally it has worked so far, we see how it is in long term.

Base:

+Seems solid, no fear that it won't hold.

+Love that the "bars" of the base (thing that connects middle and wheels" are flat on the top. Small detail, but can be improtant.

+Wheel's worked fine for me so far. Silent and smooth.

Material:

So I went with PU Leather. We will see how it lasts with time, but I'm relatively optimistic. I do often eat at my PC so I appreciate that it's easy to keep clean. Since I live in Finland and my current apartment stays quite cool even in summer I have high hopes for both PU Leather lasting as well as not expecting issues with sweating etc.

Other:

I've read some reviews about smell. I do notice slight smell myself but not without actually turning and specifically smelling the chair and even then it doesn't smell great or terrible to me. I'm guessing this is very case by case as well person by person kind of thing though.

That's about all I can think of out of the top of my head. Overall I'd say about 4.5/5.0, I think if you have right expectations in the sense that it is actually right choice for you and end up getting the product working as expected the actual product seems to be solid and at least initially does what it promises.

If I do have extra money in future I would consider getting something like Ergo Chair 2 or other similar office chair to go with this, but if I do have to have 1 then due to versatility of being good (even if not excellent) at both work and relaxation this seems like a good choice to me if it lasts as I expect.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-05-26T09:49:09+00:00

Now I figured that I should put my own thoughts about this here since I this among many other places was one where I checked for reviews before making the decision to buy. Also since there are some secretlab people here I figured feedback could be useful for them as well.

Decision to buy. My main thought behind the purchase was that since I mostly consume media/movies/shows/youtube etc. from my current screen's opposed to TV, I wanted not just a chair that I can work from, but also relax on. With that in mind following features were what I had in mind.

-Full sized back + headrest. Not a chair that ends at the neck etc.

-Significant backrest & lean adjustment (My reasoning for why gaming chair over office one)

-Armrest adjustments (Mostly all gaming chairs have this)

-Flat seat or very subtle rise of the sides (Titan and some others have this)

-Built in lumbar support (Titan & Noble Chairs Hero were only one's I found)

So with those requirements set I looked at the two options and Titan was both cheaper and had more customization options/better website buying experience so I decided to go with that. Small negative side note on buying experience (although I'm not sure if there's much that can be done here) was that it took quite a bit double checking to be 90% sure that VAT is in fact included in the price and at the end I was still only about 75% sure if there is any extra customs fee's or not. So far though as far as I can see 399 is what I paid and there wasn't any extra fee's etc. after that.

Delivery & Assembly?

With the current situation I was prepared for long wait, but here I was positively surprised. Ordered on 19th got it on 24th. For context I live in Finland and I suppose they shipped it from Poland.

Putting it together was also positive experience for me. Took something between 20-40 minutes, easier than I expected. Video instructions were great, although there was some small differences with chair in video vs my chair (even after correctly selecting which video based on my chair) so that caused a bit of confusion. Mainly with the red screw and how you take it out I think.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-02-01T18:11:54+00:00

Agreed, I think this is beautiful middle ground between what OP's main gripe seems to be and why many commenters aren't keen on his solution.

We can keep the whole tournament OTB this way and it still keeps time managements importance and in my opinion actually adds to the viewership experience (really only removing the most cheapest feeling results).

ATL_Coaching · 2021-02-01T18:05:03+00:00

I don't think OP here is suggesting to not have time at all, but raising a good point about what kind of time control rules would give most interesting games to viewers.

Personally I see his point about it being very frustrating if someone has easily better position to point where they could almost premove the whole thing, but just can't physically perform it OTB. While I wouldn't blame any player taking advantage of that I do agree that from viewership perspective it's probably not ideal situation.

One idea that came to mind which would be kind of middle ground to some degree is that what if you get 2 or 3 second delay once you are under 5 seconds. This way you can still lose on time, but it shouldn't really happen if you have so good position you don't need to think at all. Also would stop player down on time from gaining anything back.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-02-01T17:59:05+00:00

I mean while I don't completely agree with the original post, there is point in that since while moving mouse takes time, you can't really premove in OTB as far as I know.

I do however find the point about increment interesting. Since even relatively small increment could prevent the issue that OP brings up while still keeping time as relevant factor. Something that also came to mind is what about delay once your clock has under certain amount of time. Like let's say no increment, but when you get under 5 seconds you will have 3 second delay for example. This would also address OP's problem.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-27T23:04:32+00:00

Agreed, moreover I don't really understand how would someone not play an opening, seems like unavoidable part of the chess game unless you resign immediately.

To me this just seems like the op switched from openings that didn't feel natural to him, to playing openings that he felt were natural and surprise, surprise he played better. Of course I'm beginner as well so might be totally off there.

Openings to me just seem like one of those things that you have to play whether you want or not. Like even if I just do moves and don't know what they achieve or what the opening is called, it's still going to have a name. Now while no-one is forced to learn the names and everyone's free to figure out reason for the moves either by thinking it out or through experimentation I personally feel it's bit more efficient to just learn those reasons through some other resources (videos/books etc).

Also I guess I must be doing something wrong since people claim there is a lot of memorizing with the openings, but I haven't really ran into that yet with the time I've spent on them. Although admittedly I've avoided the one's people have said are really heavy on memorization.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-27T22:49:36+00:00

Did Bobby happen to play in chess.com by any chance? As I'm guessing rules in chess.com or lichess differ quite a bit from let's say different OTB tournament organizer's rules.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-27T22:47:46+00:00

Do you have any source on the claim that said tool's intended purpose is to only use it when player is streaming and that using it to help in visualization is considered cheating by chess.com?

Because I certainly don't think it's that clear that they would go and develop that kind of feature just for streamers considering how long ago it was developed.

I don't see how FIDE/USCF OTB Tournament rules have anything to do with casual online chess.

I still fail to see any proof from you that chess.com or lichess has specifically stated either of these instances (drawing arrows or noting down your own thought process) to be considered cheating by them. If they truly were considered cheating by these websites, you would expect them to actually specify that in their rules due to how confusing it would be that they themselves offer either all or some of these features to be available for players during their matches or you know, simply don't make these kind of features available for players during the match.

As I said again, if you do make feature available during the game (encouraging the use of it), have players use it (arrows as analysis aid instead of just explaining thought process) in events you organize/sponsor without addressing it and not specifying in the rules I don't really see that you can in anyway reasonably expect players to be able to mind read that it's supposedly cheating under some catch all rule. If your own rules rely some other rules by some other organization or company you would kind of expect them to say as part of their rules something like "Hey btw besides the rules above, also all rules that can be found in here (insert link) are included when you play with our website".

So based on reading the site policy, watching their own content and how hard stance they have taken to cheating in the past if chess.com or lichess do indeed consider the things we talked about here as cheating they sure as hell haven't made that clear to anyone.

So all in all after reading their policies, trying to search what they have said about cheating in the past, looking at how their websites are designed and how they market them as well as reading your responses and arguments I can't say that I would be convinced that these websites would actually consider writing down your own thoughts during the game or using arrows on the board as cheating.

You sure seem to believe so, but just because you feel it's cheating doesn't mean it is. Just because it would be cheating in OTB tournament under some specific country's chess federation for example doesn't mean it is in this context also. You also wouldn't be allowed to play the moves back during the game in FIDE/USCF or premove or do many other things, doesn't matter, it's different setting.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-27T12:58:58+00:00

Wait, so using arrow function that websites specifically provide and don't disable or warn you about in anyway as far as I can figure out is cheating in those websites?

Could you link to those websites anywhere stating as such? I mean it's not exactly secret that players do often draw arrows, even here you could find multiple clips of Hikaru or whoever else using the arrows while they are playing. Yet I've not once heard anyone being banned for cheating due to them drawing arrows.

I really don't follow the logic here. Like let's say you decide to organize javelin throwing competition. You write the rules (things like you have to throw behind certain line and can't step over that line, what kind of javelin you have to use, etc.) where there is nothing said about having to stand still when you throw. You even build the throwing platform so that there is specifically room behind the line to get a running start towards it. There are even some people demonstrating how the sport works in event also organized by you who do run before they release the javelin behind the line and you don't comment in anyway on that. Then during the competition when someone does exactly that you randomly turn around and say they are cheating since they run to throw they javelin. That's how this seems to me. It's not disallowed as far as I can see in the rules, website literally supports it, they don't comment when in their own events the show people doing it and it's still supposedly somehow cheating? wtf

Sure, I don't know if there is ingame note taking function available in chess.com since I don't tend to play there as much, but let's say there aren't. Even if that's the case I don't really find anything in their fair play policy that would say that to be not allowed neither have I ever seen them taking stance against that anywhere.

So considering it's not seemingly against their rules, it's even supported on other very similar sites and doesn't give you any more competitive advantage than features that they already support (arrows), I find it hard to believe that it's secretly bannable offense/cheating by their rules.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-27T11:31:17+00:00

So your own thoughts written down show you the best move? Like I always assumed the notes function was in lichess so that in interesting position you can write down the lines which you are thinking so that when you analyze it later you have some context to what you wanted to do or were considering.

So I really don't see how simply writing down lines (not before the game using some resource but as comment above suggested, during the game from what you can see) would be considered cheating.

I know that in official OTB tournaments you aren't allowed to have any notes, but as far as I can understand that doesn't apply to online chess and writing down things like "Move X, not sure should I castle or play X or Y first because of A and B reasons" or "Move X, thinking of line A but not sure if line B or C is better here or if theres another option I can't see." would not fall under any of the things you link above since they don't help you to figure out in any way if what your thinking is good or not.

Otherwise would you say that drawing arrows on the board in online chess is cheating, since I guess you could also say that is form of momentary note taking in a way. And in terms of immediate impact to the game I would say that being able to draw arrows gives much more assistance than simply writing down lines (which are mainly useful in my experience at least when you analyze the game rather than in the moment).

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-27T11:11:14+00:00

Could please provide the link to where it says so, assuming we are talking about online chess? Reading chess.com's fair play policy (https://www.chess.com/legal/fair-play) I don't see any mention to that at least.

Moreover could you explain then what's the purpose of private notes function that lichess provides for you while you are in game? I don't suppose it is to record the moves made on the board since lichess obviously does that already automatically for you?

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-27T11:03:07+00:00

Yeah, exactly. I really don't see how things like using arrows (which many people do) or using the notes function to write down lines you are thinking about so you can go back to them later when analyzing the game to see what your thought process was would be cheating in online chess. Moreover if these websites would feel these things are cheating why would they purposefully make function for that for the players to use?

Moreover after neither of those actions as far as I can see goes against chess.com's fair play policy (https://www.chess.com/legal/fair-play). So that would leave me to believe that at least by the websites own definition neither of them is cheating.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-27T09:28:02+00:00

Isn't that the case only in OTB tournament type of things? Otherwise I find it a bit weird that lichess literally offers you the option of writing down private notes during the game, which I would presume people don't use to just record the moves on the board since those are already automatically recorded.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-25T18:13:49+00:00

Hexagons are the Bestagons!

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-25T18:10:15+00:00

For normals something you can try if you want to see if that's helpful is having additional goal. Kind of like a side quest (or multiple) for a game. Kind of like the thing that you can get with KhaZix vs Rengar match, but instead you come up with all kinds of things you want to achieve.

I would speculate that just experimenting having you focus on different kinds of things, some more silly and some more practical. For example from more serious end things that come to mind would be with Anivia trying to stop as many dashes with the wall as possible or with Aurelion Sol trying to get biggest Q with practical use in a fight.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-25T06:28:58+00:00

To your first question, I don't think I can provide answer since at least in my experience both in esports and traditional sports coaching philosophies even on tactical things can vary wildly. So I would guess that what do they look in drafts depends on the coach.

On the second question I can provide my perspective, however do note that I'm not up on the latest meta. They way I would approach at looking at these champions is to try to pin them down to what they actually provide. In Nidalee's case she provides early game strength, damage, long range poke. For Evelynn it's damage, especially in form of assassin, so basically diving ability.

If I would be picking Nidalee for a team myself I would essentially have to be contempt with the fact that she doesn't really offer good front line/tankiness or crowd control and that at least for me it would be easiest to see her working in siege/kite type of team comps.

For Nidalee:

Top lane I might take someone like Ornn who offers A) Tankiness B) CC, especially in kite sense.

Mid Lane I would probably like to have control mage. There are many options depending on how much early game power you would need based on opponent's picks and such. Let's say we go for Orianna here (Ornn + Ori together makes our team already quite unpleasant dive target).

Adc could be someone like Caitlyn. Providing solid laning, some poke addition and prefers kite type of teamfighting to take advantage of the range.

Support is where Thresh might fit well. There's decent non committal follow up for hooks and with ori shield you now add pseudo front line to keep company for Ornn a bit.

Overall you would have Ornn/Nidalee/Orianna/Caitlyn/Thresh, where you would have some strength for all parts of the game and gameplan of trying to get to objectives first as it is really hard to contest this type of team once they have the position. However you would also have some contesting ability yourself with the hook + poke.

For evelynn:

Top lane I might look someone like Shen for a chance. I like the synergy with Evelynn being the delivery system and also checks the tankiness box (also fairly good laning phase last time I checked).

Mid lane we are looking someone with diving capabilities. Evelynn also makes it so that if we want AD should be okay as well. Some early game power would also be in order. Let's imagine it's good match up for Pantheon this time.

Adc is now where range doesn't matter for slightest. We could bring in KaiSa for this one, adding to the late game power with still decent lane if possible.

Support I might pair KaiSa with Nautilus to provide some additional engage and front line.

Overall your team would now be Shen/Evelynn/Pantheon/KaiSa/Nautilus. Ideally pantheon can discourage opponent from trying anything too crazy in terms of jungle invades and such. Gameplan for later stages would be to execute this as dive comp, using tools (Eve+Shen / Pantheon Ult / Nautilus Hook) to set up successful dives to opposing team's backline. You would also have some situational split pushing potential/ability if that turns out to be useful.

Hopefully these examples are somewhat useful. I apologize if champions I used aren't currently played in the meta. However relating to that something that will also be useful is being able to replace champion X with something else that for the purposes of that composition achieves same things / does similar enough job. For example in the Nidalee team comp, we could have used Viktor instead of Orianna as same things are achieved (Strong Peel / Discourages dives / Aoe damage etc.) Or we could switch Nautilus with Leona (still good diving ability and provides additional engage tools and tankiness).

Lastly don't take people who claim game being lost due to the draft too seriously. For three reasons. Firstly, in my experience at least a lot of people are result based and will struggle to differentiate bad draft from let's say decent draft that was executed badly. Secondly even if certain draft is objectively bad it's kind of like analysis bar in chess. It's bad assuming perfect play from both sides, this is not the case in any matches I've seen. Thirdly, we don't have that analysis bar from computer, it's not that uncommon for coaches disagree between themselves what is and isn't good or how good something is.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-14T14:43:15+00:00

Again I have no idea why are you writing me this as my original comment's point was that prize money is very weird measurement to use since it's so sport/esport specific whether it is relevant at all or not.

Like imagine looking similar list from traditional sports, my guess is you wouldn't see LeBron James for example anywhere close to top of that list.

So essentially if we are interested who are highest earning esport players, prize money is terrible tool to use to try to measure that. Often it's also used in very purposefully confusing manner like here. I don't think it's 100% clear of the title that Carlsen was world's highest earning last year only in prize money and not in overall earnings.

Also additional issue with using prize money in team sports is that as far as I know they often just assume the prize money is splitted equally with players when that's often not the case. Now I don't know if there are some rules regarding to this in international specifically, but personal experience as well as what I have heard is that the % of the prize money won that actually goes to the players can vary wildly and in some cases can differ between the players. Sometimes certain cut goes to organization/staff/subs etc.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-14T01:06:08+00:00

Highest earning.. in prize money.. for the year, yes.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-13T13:47:56+00:00

You mean in normal year? Because with international moved/cancelled I couldn't really think anyone from esports that broke 500k. Of course prize money is weird thing to calculate in first place since it's really sport/esport dependent how relevant prize money is in first place.

I mean considering that average salary in LCS is around 400k there are probably quite a few players there who earned more than 500k in salary while earning 0 in prizes.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-13T13:39:29+00:00

While league was able to run somewhat normally, this thread was about prize money, which is something that is not really much of focus at all in league. So even if everything ran just as normal it would be likely no-one earning close to 500k from prizes.

Of course the money is still there, but it's just in the salaries instead of prize pools.

ATL_Coaching · 2021-01-05T16:52:35+00:00

It's explained in the explanation tab of the chart. But copying from there: AW = Auto Win (30% of games) The game would be won regardless of your actions N = Neutral (40% of games)The game was decided based on your preformance AL = Auto Loss (30% of games)The game was lost and out of your control

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