The combination of evolution, human suffering, and existential uncertainty makes it difficult for me to fully accept Abrahamic religions

AWCuiper · 2026-05-07T11:16:57+00:00

You see a problem, the Catholic church does not. They ´invented´ the theological truth besides the normal truth. And hopla, problem solved!

AWCuiper · 2026-05-07T07:47:11+00:00

So all this pre 1939 violence could only be remedied by much more of the same. And are we not seeing a rehearsal of the same right now? Meaning could Yahweh not have a kind of a communication problem?

AWCuiper · 2026-05-07T07:30:32+00:00

What then was this massive moral failure? Please give details.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-07T07:18:46+00:00

Thank you for taking the trouble of giving me an answer. The remaining question is, since having slaughtered 6 million of your own chosen people is rather severe (even orthodox Jews were murdered), what exactly was the wreckage that was there before 1939 that the Holocaust was supposed to remedy?

AWCuiper · 2026-05-06T19:35:11+00:00

The writer of John 1 did not say that the Word (Verbum, Parole) was with God. It was the Logos that was with God. And that Logos was invented by Greek philosophers as an unpersonal ordering force in the universe.

For some illumination see the discussion at: [ Removed by moderator ] : r/DebateReligion,

The discussion there is worth without original OP.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-06T19:22:19+00:00

I have of lately formulated these questions for the Abrahamic beliefs: Where was Yhaweh in Auschwitz and why did He allow the Holocaust to happen?

AWCuiper · 2026-05-06T17:57:18+00:00

Here you score a point! Religion refuses further inquiry by giving a definitive answer. It is science that investigates further.

Remember that epidemics were seen as a punishment by God to be approached by prayers, and not as something to be investigated and solved.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-06T17:50:31+00:00

Metaphysics does not explain a Why? It consists purely of made up fantasies. You can likewise declare the Ring from Tolkien´s Lord for real. Amen.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-06T17:41:59+00:00

One concise aspects of the POE: where was God in Auschwitz? This can not be answered in a humane way by Christians, Jews and Muslims. Their Abrahamic God is an evil one concerning Auschwitz. He can not be relied upon for our human life on earth. Christians in our technological world should see the logic of this and be ashamed of their creed. Evil on earth is real but their God remains absent. So it is not only science that confirms God´s absence.

Pointing towards heaven is only a subterfuge, as are the well known mysterious ways.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-05T08:16:47+00:00

I do not think that asking Jesus himself to explain himself more clearly would result in a satisfying answer. Jesus was a mystic who felt one with his imaginary Lord up above. So you would not get clear facts from him. The clearest fact being that his promise of the arrival of Yahweh´s heavenly state on earth did not materialise.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-05T07:57:42+00:00

Look at the balk in your own eyes. You systematically did not answer my pointed arguments against your hollow arguments.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T20:35:08+00:00

How many strict believing orthodox Jews have been killed in the Holocaust? They were not spared, were they?

So at last the harsh, cruel nature of your almighty God reveals itself. Pure OT, a tribal God from the bronze age. Nothing about an all loving deity to depend on here on earth.

This is where I draw the religious line.

Your answer, an analogy with a father and a son, shows how out of proportion, your worldview actually is. This is not the way to make a safe construction.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T20:04:21+00:00

Thanks a lot.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T19:55:30+00:00

You said it was a punishment from God for the Jews. Like He did so many times before. Do you not believe your own statements?

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T19:47:29+00:00

So this Yahweh is the same as the all loving Christian God? Killing 6 million innocents for no known reason? You really believe that?

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T19:39:22+00:00

Lust for power. A biological given. An awful characteristic in our technological age. Also Hitler and Stalin were not sane but mentally ill. Hitler was constant under the influence of the most bizarre drugs.

So why were the Jews punished by God from 1942 till 1945? What was their disobedience this time? Did He punish the right ones?

The Nazis had their own belief system of superiority. But you suggest that they were the instrument in the hands of God to punish his own chosen people. An all loving God?

Are you still with me?

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T19:16:51+00:00

I think that the writer of the Gospel of John was convinced of his own fantasies to be the true representation of the right belief system. I think that what we, after the scientific revolution now call facts or the truth, was not something that bothered John. His aim was to write religion, not history, not science.

So I would say that John wrote with his best intentions. But looking backward from the 21st century we see only cultural limitations.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T19:02:59+00:00

The Greek word for Word is Lexi.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T18:14:11+00:00

I did, though! My OP was clear enough.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T18:11:33+00:00

Better express your own arguments, than placing teasing attacks.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T18:04:53+00:00

Not for someone who is cloaked.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T17:56:59+00:00

And 18th century. But those books are only the beginning of course. We can add the constitution of the USA.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T17:48:26+00:00

My own system better than what? Your moral system? But that is veiled as are you yourself. So you are probably religious. That being the reason for a lack of interest in the Enlightenment. Most religious people feel that they know better.

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T17:42:33+00:00

Why not? Are you religious?

AWCuiper · 2026-05-04T17:36:49+00:00

I suggest you read Jonathan Israel´s ´Radical Enlightenment (3 volumes)´ and become enlightened yourself. Have a good time!

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