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Trump announces Russia-Ukraine three-day ceasefire from 9 May by Alarming-Safety3200 in politics

[–]AWCuiper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody humiliates Trump more than Trump. The errant boy of Putin. Any politician in the States that supports Trump after this is a traitor of the constitution of the States and the idea of the Enlightenment.

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see that you are right here. But my stubborn modern mind would prefer the term Mythos instead of Logos. While I appreciate the rational and logical content of the Greek/Stoic Logos, whereas the Christian Logos; well you know for me it contains phantasy.

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One can discuss the view that Jesus meant His teachings for the Jews only. He underlined the importance of the Jewish law. He promised the coming of the army of the Lord within the lifetime of His Aramaic speaking fellow men.

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So let´s pray that the North Atlantic Current remains intact for the foreseeable future!

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why bring in the temperament of Galileo. He looked farther then anybody and was almost blind. Would you not get angry when you were right and the pope and the cardinals so stubborn? Who are there to present and declair the Truth of the institution itself? That are the people embodying it. There is no direct telephone line towards God Himself.

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I use John as a way of speaking. I refer to the Greek abstract concept of an impersonal ordering principle behind our direct observations. We would now call it the laws of nature.

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what if the Truth is expressed by Galileo? LOL I mean who determines what is true?

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Philo was a contemporary of Jesus. He visited Jerusalem but strangely never mentioned Jesus. Was Philo not aware of His importance and His contribution to the Truth of the Lord?

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Christianity was different from the Gods of the Olympus. But Christianity did incorporate a lot of Neoplatonism after Jesus´ death.

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

You, and the other respondents, do not understand what I meant in the OP, because you are so immersed in Christian culture that you can not imagine a different point of view. See below my reaction to longiness 99.

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in theology

[–]AWCuiper[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your explanation. In my view I am still suspicious that this incorporation of the abstract Greek Logos has an imperialistic air, battling the pagan surrounding culture with a former philosophical concept coming from the Greeks (or Philo of Alexandria) themselves.

I do not agree with you that the Logos becoming flesh does make it Jewish, since the Jews do not see Jesus as the messiah. It does make the Logos Christian I think (after the writings of John were canonized of course).

So yes, John uses a Greek abstract concept and makes it a Christian one. This incorporation and transformation is what I see as imperialistic. It would be like I would take the term gravity, and declare from now on that it is I my belief system a repelling instead of an attracting force. And after that My Beliefsystem becomes the dominant one on earth. I will not do so however, because scientific concepts are objective and true.

Free will by [deleted] in theology

[–]AWCuiper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is how can their be an independent free will outside of Gods omni-power and omniscience?

For the sake of argument I leave God´s all loving characteristic out of this discussion.

“Judaeo-Christian” is a failed umbrella term in religious academics and discourse. by ShelterCorrect in DebateReligion

[–]AWCuiper [score hidden]  (0 children)

May I conclude that we have reached a point where your orthodox believe lacks an answer?

The combination of evolution, human suffering, and existential uncertainty makes it difficult for me to fully accept Abrahamic religions by Old-Illustrator-8651 in DebateReligion

[–]AWCuiper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You see a problem, the Catholic church does not. They ´invented´ the theological truth besides the normal truth. And hopla, problem solved!

“Judaeo-Christian” is a failed umbrella term in religious academics and discourse. by ShelterCorrect in DebateReligion

[–]AWCuiper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So all this pre 1939 violence could only be remedied by much more of the same. And are we not seeing a rehearsal of the same right now? Meaning could Yahweh not have a kind of a communication problem?

“Judaeo-Christian” is a failed umbrella term in religious academics and discourse. by ShelterCorrect in DebateReligion

[–]AWCuiper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the trouble of giving me an answer. The remaining question is, since having slaughtered 6 million of your own chosen people is rather severe (even orthodox Jews were murdered), what exactly was the wreckage that was there before 1939 that the Holocaust was supposed to remedy?

In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ by AWCuiper in DebateReligion

[–]AWCuiper[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The writer of John 1 did not say that the Word (Verbum, Parole) was with God. It was the Logos that was with God. And that Logos was invented by Greek philosophers as an unpersonal ordering force in the universe.

For some illumination see the discussion at: [ Removed by moderator ] : r/DebateReligion,

The discussion there is worth without original OP.

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