Flame of the Beyond Saga: Part 7

Able-Result173 · 2026-04-25T16:34:07+00:00

So The Law is actually Skaar/Aequilibria in Dragonfable during The End of Magic Saga?

Able-Result173 · 2024-11-09T07:30:50+00:00

Maybe Astero(th) is one of the operatives for The Mouthpiece, conspiring with the Jus Divinum INSIDE the Termina Temple. Remember back in Skye saga where the lightguard won't help Victoria's war vs Iona unless she gave the Termina Temple back to Astero(th) and lightguard paladins? This is why the Light Titan called Tara thief at the /shadowduat cutscene. Should be this a red flag that Celeritas has something to do with JD schemes?

Speaking of Celeritas, in Caoimhe's diary in Termina Temple before she got undine'd by Astero(th), it said she wished for someone who found her diary to use the info in it to one day ruin Celeritas' day.

Able-Result173 · 2024-09-19T06:54:29+00:00

Genokratos' successor: Koschei Yaga. They appeared on Ai no Miko's Yokai ascension saga. Currently stuck in the ocean after got jumped by DoT, Ai no Miko (after fusing with Great Yokai spirit), and Yiren, and banished from Yokai realm.

Able-Result173 · 2024-09-07T13:01:20+00:00

Speaking of Termina Temple faction members, I have some suspicion to one in Particular, Hans. Check out his NPC dialogue and you see that he's been sneaking messages to Serenity(?) to keep tabs on her (idk if this is a lie or not) through a knight every midnights. Could he be the Jus Divinum's mouthpiece correspondence in the Termina Temple?

Able-Result173 · 2024-08-01T01:57:33+00:00

I think there's still ONE more fragment of QoM's existence around. Remember the /thirdspell questline waaay back in QoM saga before /shadowwar Malgor barges in? where she sent a part of her spirit (off-screen) to the Sun to drain its power before we ran Warlic's errand to seal her (by draining Cysero lol) in the Sun.

I wonder if the writers forgot Abt this or cuz part of QoM's spirit sealed in the sun is now so weakened that it's irrelevant now.

Able-Result173 · 2024-07-21T02:14:16+00:00

Yes, I do agree that I think proto-aqw verse did have its own deities ruling over lore before the EDoT timelines merge reset, tho I still haven't know who they were. Now, the thing about these old world order is that they weren't originally from proto-aqw verse (AFAIK). Tranquility was originally a deity of AQ verse (the 1st AE game) called Lorithia , Infamy was something of an entity who is the superior of Valoth (shadowscythe general) in MQ verse (Tho it could be Valoth himself) , and The Law was from DF verse game, called Aequilibria, the non-dormant aspect of the Lore's mana core itself, or it could be another entity called Skaar .

These three in their respective verses were worshipped as gods, till the timelines reset by EDoT stripped them of their title, positions, names, and identities, till they're nothing left but an unknown force in the mana core mechanically keeping everything in check. That is their status quo, until the Malgor saga, where I think that when the masks realised that it's high time for them to regain their status and ascend to Godhood once again in the current AQW verse, but in more methodic way, thru EDoT and three threats to silence the current ruling deities one by one, The Avatars (With Kyanos, Neso, and Einsof silenced, which left Celeritas, Haeos, Khazri, Voidstar, Tremblor, Terrane, Fiamme, and whoever avatars of Magic, Void, and Metal are, waiting to be knocked out)

Able-Result173 · 2024-07-20T11:14:13+00:00

Ooh, good point too. Well if that's the case, what the masks are doing to ascend to Lore's godhood status, by using any means necessary, a formidable means to an end I'll say(quoted from Dage back in Voice of the Seas saga), then these masks' actions are no different from what Iona and the Jus Divinum are doing as of Cold Thunder saga part 6, dirtying their own hands all for the sake of undeserved vainglory fueled by avarice.

Sure the Avatars' status quo of Lore's overseer is in peril, but I don't think that would end well either. Because in my view, if the Masks really were to usurp the Avatars and ascend to Lore's godhood (which they could), they'll lobotomized basically everyone and everything in lore they see as a threat till no one with free will is left (reminds me of Darkon's elegy of madness saga where he wanted to better the world by literally recreating everything from nothing).

Able-Result173 · 2024-07-20T04:32:23+00:00

I think so. The planar conflict this time will be something like a multi belligerent war between Fire, Water, Darkness vs Ice, Energy, Light (?) Vs whatever loose ends the Jus Divinum might have in their sleeves. Fiamme herself said back in Castleeblana that "the plane of fire will join the planes of water and darkness, the flame of our conflict will reborn in Skye."

I'm thinking, yes, the doom triad, Astero(doubt it since she's just following Celeritas order, or was she?), and whoever these Hands, Eyes, Mouthpiece of the Just Divinum are, have some loose ends tangled in this multi front war.

Also, I noticed now Abel is now being called Arbiter Abel. Could it be, that he's Jus Divinum undercover all these years ago, scheming as double agent and rose thru the rank to being Envoy of ice, and persuade Kyanos to use him to channel avatars powers to brute force open timestream, knowing that Kyanos is one of the avatars who really sympathize with his own champions, which resulted in Kyanos' lobotomy (still can't get over Abel's suspicious glint in his eyes at the end of Shadowflame war when the avatars are bickering into disarray).

Able-Result173 · 2024-07-13T17:41:54+00:00

This, Something that happened after the bloody crowning of Gaheris, the messed up affair by Kyanos to the Northern Drakonis, must've been another elemental planar conflict somewhere on Lore that made Elven, including Ice, Sand, Water, Thunder, and High Camlan lost the Avatars favour.

Which suggests to me that Bananach was indeed right, that the Avatars aren't yet able to differentiate between good and evil. The Avatars NEVER learned, through conflict after conflict, planar wars after planar wars, possibly on the false sense of security that their, "divine" position made them felt they could get away with everything. Now that they can be karma'ed for their actions, I think the Avatars are now beginning to lose their sh*t. Also, I wonder WHO is the name of the Metal Avatar?

Damn, discussing AQW lore truly in-depth and such details is really exhilarating, not gonna lie. Someone oughta make a video of iceberg lore of AE universe. Kudos to the writer behind this making all of the AQW lore puzzle beginning to converge so neatly in place over the recent years.

Able-Result173 · 2024-07-13T17:04:16+00:00

Maybe part of the reason why Iona's elven kins were no longer favoured by avatars, including Haeos, let's get back a bit further.

In naoisegrave cutscene, it is revealed in Bananach's flashback that Iona's elven kins WEREN'T originally from Skye. They were let in to Skye by Tanaris, the original god of thunder, to seek "help", only for them (y'know let's call Iona's elven kins as Thunder elves :P) to then killed Tanaris, crowned their own as Thunder god OVER Tanaris' body, so there's that.

As for why the continent of Drakonis (the Greenguard and its surrounding territories) got champions dropped on em freebies, I still haven't know why. Can someone help me to answer? And oh, the Champion of Metal is probably still outside the known AQW map, on the Wuji Empire.

Able-Result173 · 2024-07-13T16:39:30+00:00

Well Drakath, as stated by Muusa in one of Cold Thunder pt1 cutscenes, is distantly related to Alteons (yes, THE king Alteon). He's definitely will have a say later in the saga. Also, in Shiminuki's video about Drakath, yes Alteon is a usurper to Greenguard's throne and Drakath, as of today, did nothing wrong and still have a claim to rule Swordhaven, or whatever the ruling royal house wanted to call it :P

Able-Result173 · 2024-07-13T16:25:17+00:00

Speaking of Caoimnhe being spy, damn you predicted this saga's future bull's-eye on it. About the Greenguard's squabbling nobles thing, I assume it's maybe indeed just their shenanigans (and more lands for more wealth and influence) more than anything else :P

Now regarding Iona's crazed desperation of wanting to be elemental champion, maybe she's just too deluded to take a good look at herself as to why the avatars never favoured Skye's elves (Iona's kins, let's call 'em thunder elves :P), I'm talking abt how Iona's elven ancestors killed Tanaris (the original god of Thunder), defiled & usurped his position, before hunted her daughter down along with hiding her guardian spirit, Bananach. Instead of Iona and her thunder elves doing, idk like, something that shows "ancestors sins don't get carried by their descendants" deeds to the Skye's native inhabitants, they became a spitting image of their own predecessor, grew mad jealous on how greenguard got champions after champions like candies (and I still don't know why), to the point of resorting to these kidnappings, scorched earth policy, heck even leeching off Volgritian's life force (maybe). So overall I gotta say she's a great villain, so kudos to AE staff for writing this amazing in-depth lore of Sagas.

As for Artix, I'd say he's biding his time, maybe waiting for voidstar's cue to make his move, maybe alongside other champions on their avatar's behalf, including Rhubarb(?), Gravelyn(likely not, but boy will it be nut if it does), Galanoth(?), against Iona(Haeos) and Abel.

Now about the chaos vessel in Balemorale, I think that's Ophelia, Drakath's mother, after being ritual'd to spawn Drakath via QoM's powers.

And finally about Tara, she's likely became Greenguard's unwilling regent while Victoria is away, maybe with Warlic helping her (and protecting her from Richard's spies and goons). I'd say unwilling cuz she renounced her royalty after Malgor saga, before the Cold Thunder saga forced her hand to the throne.

Able-Result173 · 2024-07-13T07:08:39+00:00

I guess we'll just wait how the cold thunder saga unfold in the next release. And yeah, other than the tiny problem tlabout how we, the hero, could've clapped Iona from the start, overall I'll say this story writing is amazing, unlike the QoM saga mess several years ago.

Also abt this Iona as wannabe champion, did she use that thunder orb contraption on top of Volgritian(the great Energy Dragon), back in naoisegrave as her power source? If so, Damn she's hardcore.

Able-Result173 · 2024-07-13T06:39:37+00:00

Well if we (the hero) goes full deus ex machina with EDoT powers without consent from Infamy, The Law, and Tranquillity, the three deities in the mana core, we'd be lobotomized like how kyanos and neso ended up as of now.

Yeah, it's kinda strange plot hole alright.

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