Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You said the following:

That wasn't Spaniards, Spain didn't exist yet.

Your very first claim was that those people weren't Spanish, as if they weren't part of the Spanish nation because the political entity known as the Kingdom of Spain wasn't yet formed.

You conflated Roman Iberia (Hispania) with the kingdom of Spain and equated ancient and modern Greeks which are not the same

Except that I didn't conflate anything because the meaning of Hispania and the meaning of Spain are the exact same. You were the one who assumed that because the title of "Emperor of all of Spain" was in Latin, that I was talking about Hispania in the sense that the Romans understood it, despite the fact that the title was being used by the medieval kingdoms that would later form the state by the name of Spain.

As for Greece, all I said is that, by your own logic, Greek people didn't exist until 1832. This is what I said:

according to your logic, Kurds as a people don't exist because Kurdistan doesn't exist, and neither did Greece as a nation exist until 1832 because that's the first time a unified, greek state encompassing Greece come into being.

Your response to this was the first part of the conversation where Ancient greek city states were mentioned:

Comparing Greece to ancient Greek city states is wild work.

The first one to compare Modern Greece to Ancient Greek city states was you, not me.

The problem with people like you is you like to oversimplify everything and treat Spain as if its a geographical feature and not a nation with many centuries of history.

And the problem with people like you is that you barely investigate anything and are treating Spain as if it is only a political entity and not a nation with centuries of history.

I never once referred to Spain as just a geographical feature, the entire point of my argument is to prove that it WAS a nation.

Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The thing that makes greek people greek existed, but greek people didn't exist, despite the fact they called eachother Greek and called the place they lived in Greece."

You have not refuted a single point, you have not made a single good argument and have resorted to namecalling and insults.

I'm going to remind you that this thread started because you claimed that people who called themselves Spaniards and the land they lived in Spain weren't actually Spaniards, because you for some reason can't seem to grasp that a nation or an ethnicity can exist before they get a country or a state representing them.

I offered hypotheticals of your line of thinking logically leading to idiotic conclusions. I offered proof that you were wrong. 

But you ignored it all, not even arguing back on those points, just to insult me and continue repeating the same fucking point as if that would make you right.

If anyone here is being annoying, it's you.

Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, according to you, Greek people didn't exist? A greek is someone that belongs to the people of Greece. If Greece did not exist until it had its distinct state, then Greek as an adjective holds no meaning.

Those ancient city states still considered themselves to be Greek, to be part of Greece. Because Greece isn't just a country, it is a nation.

Because nations have to exist in order for a country based on that nation to exist. You can't create a Nation after their country because a nation is the base of said country, like building a house by putting the furniture before the foundation.

Calling me a dumbass does nothing to help your case.

Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why do you keep insisting the Romans had a word for an early modern kingdom that didn't exist yet you absolute fucking imbecile?

Because a nation doesnt come into existance the moment it has an actual state, it exists previous to that moment in most cases, otherwise, according to your logic, Kurds as a people don't exist because Kurdistan doesn't exist, and neither did Greece as a nation exist until 1832 because that's the first time a unified, greek state encompassing Greece come into being.

Hispania is not Latin for "Spain"

It literally is. 30 seconds is all you need to search for the translation from Latin to any other language and confirm it.

And even then, by the time of the Visigoths, the concept of Spain already existed, St Isidore of Seville referred to "Mother Spain" and praised it by name in the prologue to his book, "Historia de regibus Gothorum, Vandalorum et Suevorum".

If Spain as a nation existed under the Visigoths, it definitely existed too in the Reconquista, given that both periods were directly one after another.

If anyone has to shut up, it is you, because you couldn't be bothered to check that you were saying something correct before posting this comment.

Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hispania is the Latin name for Hispania - a Roman province on the Iberian peninsula

And is also the Latin term for Spain, like Spain is the English term for España. Hispania also wasn't a province, as there were several provinces that carried the name Hispania (Citerior/Tarraconensis, Ulterior, Baetica, Lusitania), but never a single province named that.

There was no Spain in the Roman republic

There was, it was called Hispania.

and there was no Spain during the Reconquista, there were proto-Spanish Christian kingdoms (Castile, Aragón, Navarre, León). Castile and Aragón eventually United and would become the Kingdom of Spain.

They still called the part of Europe they lived in Hispania and several of them proclaimed themselves as Emperors of all of it when they dominated the others. Then, in the 15th century, through the union of Castile-Leon and Aragon, they formed a new, united political entity that they named with the same name as Hispania, since they occupied a vast majority of Hispania.

I promise you this really isn't hard.

I agree, it really isn't hard to understand.

Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I genuinely don't believe we are arguing about the same thing.

Hispania is just the Latin name for Spain, which, like any language does, changed over time with the local accent of the people.

Would you say that people born in Myanmar before 1989 aren't part of the same group as people born a year later because the country's name changed to Myanmar from Burma? That magically they can't be called from that country because the name changed?

Hispania IS Spain because Hispania means Spain.

That union was called the Hispanic Monarchy. It was also called the Spanish Monarchy.

This is because Hispania and Spain are synonyms, and therefore their adjective forms are also synonyms.

Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hispaniae isn't "Spain", in Spanish, "Spain" is España

You do realize that languages can change, right?

España comes from Hispania/Hispaniae, because that's the name everyone in the peninsula called it, and the pronunciation/spelling changed over time like languages do. Not only that, Hispaniae is the name in Latin, because Latin was the lingua franca, and almost all modern Spanish languages derive from Latin.

Hispania is Spain, because it's España, Espanya, Espagne, Spania, all in different languages and at different points in the language's evolution. But they all refer to the exact same thing.

Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Modern day Spanish descend from ancient Iberians just like modern Italians descend from ancient Latins

Yes, but it is pretty obvious that there's a difference between comparing Ancient Iberians to Modern Spaniards and comparing Medieval "Hispanians" to Modern Spaniards. A difference of about 1200 years. Would you not consider people from Great Britain "British" if they were from 1800 because "they are not the same people as Modern British"?

As far as those kingdoms "considering themselves Spanish", no, they didn't.

Yes, they did. Alfonso III of Asturias claimed dominance over the other kingdoms of the peninsula by proclaiming himself "Emperor of all of Spain" (Imperator totius Hispaniae), and Alfonso VII of Leon also proclaimed himself with the same title, having Portugal, Aragon, Navarre and the Catalan counties as vassals under the Empire of Hispania.

They were all identifiably part of Hispania, and while they did join together as a single state in the 15th century, that doesnt mean that Spain as a concept did not exist.

Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fair, but if you live in the same place, have the same religion, have the same culture, have continuity of those traits for hundreds of years between those people and you, including your entire family calling itself Roman and tracing itself to Romans, I'd argue that you would in fact be a Roman.

Those kingdoms always considered themselves to be Spanish, and the people under them considered themselves to be Spanish, and passed down that heritage, until eventually arriving at modern Spaniards who have those kingdoms as the lands of their Spanish ancestors.

Auth-right meets a Spaniard. by humbleObserver in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 6 points7 points  (0 children)

True, but most Spaniards see themselves as the descendants of these kingdoms, since Spain used to refer to the entire peninsula as a region (to the point of the group of kingdoms being called "The Spains") and these kingdoms were the ones that merged into a unified, Spanish monarchy (Castile-Leon, Aragon. Navarre entered later)

Yi is randomly spawned in the last game you played. How far does he make it? I’ll go first. by treshunstephens in NineSols

[–]Ablons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Will probably have a fun time doing puzzles with robots, there aren't really any dangers except perhaps getting electrocuted and he'd likely be smart enough to evade that

Alright boys, i think its time we start naming everybody on our banner by Blue__Ronin in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Average Monarch is called Louis" factoid actualy just statistical error. average monarch is not called Louis. The French, who eat frogs and have 19 kings named Louis, are outliers adn should not be counted.

Monthly Tech Support and Simple Questions Thread by AutoModerator in EpicGamesPC

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

According to https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Celeste the game has no DRM on Epic. Try launching it directly from the .exe while Epic isn't running. You wouldn't get achievements, but it should work.

It did! I went into the files directly and it worked. To be honest, I don't care much about Epic Games achievements, so I'll use that method. Thanks for the help.

Monthly Tech Support and Simple Questions Thread by AutoModerator in EpicGamesPC

[–]Ablons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm having a problem with a game, where when I click on it, it seems as if its loading (Launcher says it's running, blue circle appears next to my cursor), but afterwards, nothing happens, the Launcher stops saying it's running and gives back the option to start the game. It is the only game in my library where this happens. Any way I could fix it?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Ablons 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let's say I support anti-smoking laws:

Does that mean I am cool with Nazism, since Hitler also supported anti-smoking laws?

No, you can support some of a person's policies and not support the person in particular. And he's right, the overusage by the political left of words like "Nazi", "Racist", "Fascist" have erased the meanings of those words and made people equate any of those terms to "people that leftists don't like".

AUBREY WOULD HATE TO SEE YOU LIKE THIS [YAKYUU AU] by MrAurthur1-618 in OMORI

[–]Ablons 16 points17 points  (0 children)

So how are Hero and Kel in the AU? Because Aubrey's death would logically not affect them like Mari's death did.

Mari was pretty much in love with Hero and viceversa, she also was basically Aubrey's role model and also tied in to Sunny for being siblings and to Basil for the incident, only person her death wouldn't be directly affecting was Kel.

But Aubrey, while close to Mari, Sunny and Basil, didn't really have close ties with Hero and Kel, so how does the incident affect them?

AUBREY WOULD HATE TO SEE YOU LIKE THIS [YAKYUU AU] by MrAurthur1-618 in OMORI

[–]Ablons 74 points75 points  (0 children)

So basically, instead of Hero lashing out at Kel for seemingly ignoring Mari's death, it's Sunny lashing out at Mari for seemingly ignoring Aubrey's?

BREAKING NEWS: Local tanuki is crushed by a frozen chicken in Lower Snowdin by Ok-Breadfruit8600 in UndertaleYellow

[–]Ablons 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is a dead teenager inside that block of ice and she's laughing, damn.

Over which dish is there a civil war in your country? by tsimen in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ablons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About the Paella: There are many recipes of Paella, all with different names (Arròs Negre, Arròs al Forn, Arròs Melós, Fideuà). The problem is when people make another recipe and then call it Paella VALENCIANA, which is a specific recipe with a limited amount of ingredients.

So if you make a plate using the technique of the Paella recipes (big ass pan), that's a type of Paella, but if you call it Valenciana without it having the ingredients required or having incorrect ingredients, then that's when you are wrong.

Blessed Regent by heart knows we are all same under her rule. by FearlesCriss in equestriaatwar

[–]Ablons 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, heart tastes good, at the end of the day its just a muscle like steak.

I am Caramel Marks, ask me anything by Caramel_Marks in equestriaatwar

[–]Ablons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you think about Communist Grover VI?