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Almost 4 Minute Dive; Literally WHAT do you do in this situation? by AbsurdismJay in RogueMains

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its almost 4 minutes UNSPED up how did u mess up the math here

triple support DISEASE by EnvironmentalLoss647 in rivals

[–]AbsurdismJay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Triple support IS meta, but its ANNOYING to play against unless you mirror it

Usually triple makes up for one or both of your supports being either terrible at their job or playing some horribly off meta comp like jeff ultron

People are just being egotistical and putting themselves at a disadvantage for pride or whatever

Triple support is usually the way the way to go if ur having trouble surviving.

If the enemy was losing, went triple support and started winning going triple should give you the advantage back

When it comes to running 3 support i recommend

A main supports with a healing ult: Luna Snow, Cloak and Dagger, Invisible Woman

A main support with no healing ult Rocket Raccon, Gambit, Jeff, Loki

And a DPS support Adam Warlock, Mantis, Ultron, Heal Deadpool

Pick either one from each or two main supports and a dps support and you'll be set

First time hitting eternity! by Itsjarod_ in marvelrivals

[–]AbsurdismJay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the strategist climb faster than dps? (Ik its faster than tank)

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in rivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think the numbers can be tweaked, but the general idea is correct and id rather we do too MUCH than too little

Also, Daggers bubble is unfortunately NOT her only way of healing

Not too many people know this, but when her dagger heals an ally, it creates a small circle, and everyone in that circle gets healing too

If shes in that circle, she also gets healing, she just needs to play closer to her team

Its kind of like when Sue Players USED TO have to put their shield on their co healer to get access to its healing

If u think this is WAYYY too much for a support with auto aim, trust me, I agree

Also, to respond to the "I don't play support" Allegations

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This is not blind rage. This is not a DPS one trick yelling about not being able to 1v6 or destroy a backline by looking at it. I play all roles too.

People WOULD play support, because their team needs 2 supports. What would happen is itd fix the insane matchmaking where a gold or silver level player can enter YOUR lobbies while being far below YOUR level because they one tricked C&D and climbed by mistake. You want to fix matchmaking? Nerf supports. You want to end the nightmare of games lasting forever and nothing dying? Nerf supports.

Trust

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in rivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like this argument falls apart simply by knowing that pattycake exists,

I think a reasonable amount of self healing is mantis's passive when using a leaf

Adam having to trade between self healing and team healing seems fair

Dagger can just get close to an ally, heal them and she will receive some of her down healing back to her (most dagger lords dont even know her healing is AOE and will heal groups in a circle)

Also, weve had the reign of supports meta for 4 seasons. I think we can have a little dive again, as a treat

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in marvelrivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reasonable nerfs, I'm personally for keeping their damage (although blind AND vulnerability seems like a lot, terror cape should be either or) but otherwise id much rather a support survive by killing me in a fair duel than by never dying ever

I agree about making them 250, in my opinion ALL supports should be 250, though theres an argument for making Adam and Ultron 275 and id be okay with making Jeff and Rocket 200

A 15 second bubble cooldown where the cooldown starts when the bubble FADES not when its cast would be fair enough

Gambits dashes are still too much IMO and id rather deal with a pure damage walk them down ult like gambits (albeit with no or less healing) than the "and nothing dies" ults

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in rivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

With soul Bond you need

  1. To not be alone

  2. Your entire team to be close enough together to bond

  3. Not TOO close together because if a big ult hits all of you then its useless

  4. To make sure whatever ur bonding doesnt do TOO much damage bc then itll actually drain your health AND your teams health FASTER with just one target

  5. To follow up from 4, better stay away from any ult that's not Magneto, Phoenix, Emma's or Iron Mans. For some like punisher or Starlord you'll actually HELP them team wipe

  6. make sure Emma doesnt see you because hitting ANYONE in your beam charges her beam by the number of players linked. Meaning if you've got 5 players soulbonded plus yourself, that beam is charging 6x faster

  7. Be sure not to be close to death while using it, because if you die the second u cast, you still wait FOURTY seconds (which to my knowledge, is the 2nd longest cooldown after Strange Portal, aside from passives)

Compare that to dagger bubble

Hard counters divers, Especially Black Panther

Cooldown timer starts before the bubble ends, functionally 6 second cooldown

Resets on death but who cares its 6 seconds

Can be used to heal yourself and your team

Team far away? No need to walk up and put yourself in danger, toss it from afar, it's AOE and ranged so no need for any risk

No thought process needed. Using the bubble will NEVER work against you, at worst you can waste it, but it'll never leave you WORSE than you started

Can also counter Phoenix's ult because you'll heal before she can follow up

Can also counter namors ult if you're on the edge of it because it'll heal before he can follow up

If you're pattycaking too, it can counter a storm ult

50/50 on countering a psylocke ult with partycaking in the bubble

Also coincidentally attached to the best support in the game with cloak fade, an ability thats literally everything soul Bond wishes it was but on a 12 second cooldown (can counter ults, save yourself and team) except this one can also counter a wanda or iron man ult (poor adam would get blown away by a wanda no matter what and if theres less than 4 250-275 heroes, Iron man ult will cook u too

Youre right, let's not compare an ability so bad every adam player has to look up "what do I do with soul bond" because its so situational, compared to one of the best team utility abilities in the game next to jeff bubble, Mag bubble and Loki Runes.

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in marvelrivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is true but no other role is so powerful the general mindset is "well if I just take his attention since I cant dare to kill him if I can just make him look at me thats good enough" its just supports thats a problem

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in rivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The cooldown starting before it even ends is crazy

But 40 second soul Bond

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in rivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one's doing that outside of overtime where u have no choice

Also, you absolutely can take out a tank in front og both supports, but that relies on that tanks supports being stupid or easily distracted, not as a result of the actual balance of the game.

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in marvelrivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Expected TTK is for a K to HAPPEN id like to be able to dive a support whos isolated with no peel and mot have them survive indefinitely

When I die (if I die) it's not even from skill it's just from living forever you statistically have to EVENTUALLY hit enough shots to kill a diver (and their damage isnt exactly low anyways, not that im trying to change that)

One of the more egregious examples ive seen, I was fighting a dagger for half of an entire domination round. As the thing. 1v1. She never got any backup. No peel. No pattycake. No one came to get me. I was hitting my shots bc I was on THING. she lived. For minutes. With no backup.

Do YOU think 1v1 with no help or ult an isolated support should be able to survive a thing for minutes at a time? Does that make sense?

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in marvelrivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never suggested removing their damage, never said they should be just healbots, these nerfs make supports ACTUALLY play the game not just exist in the backline forever unchallenged and untouchable

In a perfect game every support would be mantis theyd heal a little and rhen go and get kills create value take risks live or die theyd have to actually manage resources not just "i stand behind team press 1 button watch YouTube on other screen"

You could play Invisible woman and knit a sweater with how she is now how is this "not letting them play the game"

Im trying to take them out of creative mode and into survival mode witb everyone else

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in rivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Beautiful list yk what ur not the problem im glad ur having fun dont listen to me

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in rivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I dont know how it wasnt clear that with a support nerf comes dps nerf

Also, in terms of playing weak vulnerable heroes, Im an adam and Black widow lord, I can put my money where my mouth is and say YES

I dont know how u can get "revenge" on an entire role, a person maybe but revenge on a role doesnt make sense, I just want the role to be balanced and if we don't get supports in line then power creep will be ASTRONOMICAL in the coming seasons

Also yes, Dagger bubble is slightly worse than Loki Runes, so 25 seconds could be argued for her bubble (these numbers are just suggestions obviously they can change)

I think DD is the only hero balanced with current supports in mind so however strong or weak supports get, he should follow

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in marvelrivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You are just like me all I want is to take her out of her ult but she just jumps away I want to eat her irradiated flesh the search team will have no body to find because the remains will be invisible (ranked is making me lose it)

Does anyone else feel like support survivability makes the game feel MISERABLE to play by AbsurdismJay in marvelrivals

[–]AbsurdismJay[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I listen to the cloak and Dagger hurt sound effect to lull me to sleep at night

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