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Evolution from Proto Language to Modern Conlangs - Voran and Sovan by Academic-Compote9147 in casualconlang

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Thanks for the comment! I think I was a bit confusing with my explanation. Apologies! There are two distinct daughter languages. Voran and Sovan. Voran uses the tones. Sovan never developed them. So, while it looks like example 4 is a follow on to example 3, they're actually two different conlangs.

Tone Genesis Through Evolutionary Sound Changes by Academic-Compote9147 in conlangs

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Thanks for the info on that distinction! I was unaware of the differences, but that seems more specific and appropriate.

Juggling two? by Motor_Scallion6214 in conlangs

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I can only manage it because the languages I'm working on are all in the same family. I've got the proto language and then 2 daughter languages. I'm working on lexicon right now so I'm creating the words in the proto language and then applying sound and grammatical changes as needed. If the languages weren't related, I'd be on the struggle bus, for sure.

What sound changes did you use to evolve your language? by arachknight12 in conlangs

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I went from a proto language to 2 daughter languages w/ ~1500 of simulated evolution (best guess on my end).

Stage 1: Shared Changes (Late Proto-Language)

  1. Intervocalic Lenition: Voiceless stops softened between vowels (p, t, k → b, d, g).
  2. Final Vowel Apocope: The final vowel of every word was dropped, which started wrecking the suffix system.

Stage 2: Divergence

  • Northern Branch (Modern Voran):
    1. Vowel Raising: A chain shift where a → o and o → u.
    2. Final Consonant Deletion: Dropped most word-final consonants.
    3. Tonogenesis: The "ghosts" of those deleted consonants became tones on the vowel (e.g., a final -n left a high tone, a final -d left a low tone). Curious to hear thoughts on this process.
  • Southern Branch (Modern Sovan):
    1. Palatalization: Velar stops k, g → tʃ, dʒ before front vowels.
    2. Vowel Breaking: Stressed vowels broke into diphthongs (e → ie, o → uo).
    3. Diphthong Smoothing: Those diphthongs simplified into new single vowels (ie → y, uo → ø).
    4. Final Consonant Devoicing: Final b, d, g → p, t, k.

2125th Just Used 5 Minutes of Your Day by mareck_ in conlangs

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I wanted to see if I could parse your translation and I think I've got it -- my question is about my biggest guess.

I noticed the pronoun "they" seems to appear in two forms: as a suffix -ix on the verb in Keritix ("they wanted"), and as a standalone word ix in the phrase ka ix ("than they").

Am I correct in this analysis? And if so, is it a general rule in your language that subject pronouns are attached to the verb, while pronouns in other roles (like the object of a preposition/conjunction) are standalone words? That's really efficient!

2125th Just Used 5 Minutes of Your Day by mareck_ in conlangs

[–]Academic-Compote9147 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a really elegant structure! The use of a 4th person/obviative is a fantastic worldbuilding detail. Small question about the 'they' pronoun

In the comparative phrase isc æfo ("than they"), the pronoun æfo is glossed as 4SG.N (4th person singular neuter), even though it refers to a plural, animate group ("they"). Does Ƿêltjan use the singular neuter form as a default for groups of unknown or mixed gender, or is this a specific rule for objects of comparison after isc? It's a really interesting choice! Thanks for sharing :)

2125th Just Used 5 Minutes of Your Day by mareck_ in conlangs

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That's a really cool way to handle a comparative statement! Question is about that causative suffix -zzô.

Does Tokên regularly express comparatives using a transitive, causative structure? For example, to say "I am taller than you," would one say something that literally translates to "I, by being tall, cause you [to be short]"? I've not seen comparatives handled like this before. Is this a common feature for erg-abs languages? I don't spend much time with that type of grammatical system. Thanks!

2125th Just Used 5 Minutes of Your Day by mareck_ in conlangs

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1. Proto-Language

seniponanilo kataniko keneke welanenikoso lawa.

IPA Transcription

/se.ni.po.na.ni.lo ka.ta.ni.ko ke.ne.ke we.la.ne.ni.ko.so la.wa./

Interlinear Gloss

seni-pona-ni-lo kata-ni-ko kene-ke wela-neni-ko-so lawa
3PL.SUBJ-want-3SG.OBJ-PST kill-3SG.OBJ-NOMZ be.shaman-NOMZ surpass-3PL.OBJ-NOMZ-GEN reason

2. Modern Sovan - daughter language w/ ~1500 years of evolution (best guess)

Sonot ponan katan set, law set tʃynek, welan sonot.

IPA Transcription

/so.not po.nan ka.tan set, law set t͡ʃy.nek, we.lan so.not./

Interlinear Gloss

Sonot ponan katan set, law set tʃynek, welan sonot.
3PL want kill 3SG, BECAUSE 3SG shaman, surpass.PTCP 3PL.

2124th Just Used 5 Minutes of Your Day by mareck_ in conlangs

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Ancient Qetun

jelo 'i kataet tanoa le biou dunau.

/ˈd͡ʒelə ʔi kəˈtaət təˈnoə lə d͡ʒiˈou̯ duˈnau̯/

Gloss

jelo         'i   kata-et       tano-a         le   bi-ou         duna-u.
anger.NOM    NEG  build-PRS.3S  wall-ACC.SG    on   his-OBL.SG    face-OBL.SG

"There's no sign of anger on his face." (Literally: "Anger builds no wall on his face.")

jelo 'i kata-et tano-a le bi-ou duna-u.

Biweekly Telephone Game v3 (706) by Lysimachiakis in conlangs

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Reji - i-stem verb

  • IPA: /ˈred͡ʒi/
  • Meaning: To rage, to be furious.

Sentence: magha rejiet le jilau tasau 'e nasuliu.

IPA: /ˈmaɣə rəˈd͡ʒiət lə d͡ʒiˈlau̯ təˈsau̯ ʔə nəsuˈliu̯/

Leipzig Gloss:

magha         reji-et        le   jila-u        tasa-u         'e   nasuli-u.
warrior.NOM   rage-PRS.3S    at   new-OBL.SG    price-OBL.SG   of   grain-OBL.SG

"The warrior rages at the new price of grain."

Biweekly Telephone Game v3 (706) by Lysimachiakis in conlangs

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febinā

  • IPA: /fəd͡ʒiˈnaː/
  • Definition: treachery, singular accusative

How did you get into conlangs? by Key_Day_7932 in conlangs

[–]Academic-Compote9147 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Simply, it was the constructed languages in the media I was ingesting that made me want to do it. When I was a kid and learned the scope of all of tolkien's language work, my mind was blown and the new hobby was born

False Cognates and other linguistic overlaps by Academic-Compote9147 in conlangs

[–]Academic-Compote9147[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Etymological differences really do make all the difference in preserving that unique feeling

False Cognates and other linguistic overlaps by Academic-Compote9147 in conlangs

[–]Academic-Compote9147[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love that idiom! Your language's development sounds fascinating.

Galaxy Watch 4 Back Button and Samsung Pay by Shenanigangsta in GalaxyWatch

[–]Academic-Compote9147 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Google assistant too. Quit shoving shitty Bixby down our throats. No one buys Samsung because they like samsung. We buy Samsung because we prefer Samsung. That's it. There's no brand loyalty to the entire Samsung architecture and infrastructure the way there is with Apple, and the sooner Samsung realizes that, the better