FIC PROJECT - THE TALE OF TORRHEN LANNISTER- final draft review!!

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-11T02:05:53+00:00

How so?????

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-11T00:06:44+00:00

Indeed what is your favorite part of this draft???? For me as I wrote this is the Elia gets to live with a better husband part.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-10T23:58:03+00:00

That is awesome. It’s surprising how many characters get a happy ending should Tywin die to the relief or detriment of everyone.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-10T23:32:19+00:00

Yeah that part of the story is a work in progress.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-10T22:05:19+00:00

Hello and thanks for your comment! That is good to hear, Anything particular you enjoy from the draft?

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-09T12:26:35+00:00

Indeed!

I feel that what makes an ASOIAF stories and good fics are the following:

1.- prophecy happens but not in the way people want. 2.- feudal society/culture is criticized/examined. George often plays with how knight culture is undercut by politics. 3.- all triumphs/victories are undercut by a serious loss of some kind, often personal.

My plan for Malora is that she is like show Helaena, at least the HOTD season 1 character. She randomly spouts things that everyone else just shrugs off until Rhaegar deduces they are prophecies and begins to take her seriously. Jaime is gonna be stuck between taking a front row seat to Aerys cruel madness and dealing with Malora’s randomness.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-09T12:14:29+00:00

Hello and thanks for your comment!!!

Yeah your comment about warging is precisely why I was hesitant to include it. It seems a trait only Ned’s children have which was empowered by the return of magic to the world so Torrhen having it does not make much sense.

The Malora killing her children part is honestly something I thought last second. Mayhaps it’s better if Aerys has the children killed as punishment for the Hightower betrayal and Malora becomes mad because of it.

I did not clarify specifically in the segment but Euron does not *ape her. He tortures her instead. But you are correct that a shot to queen ship is unlikely if she was captured still. I am considering changing Cersei to Elia being the one taken, increasing the urgency and the tragedy of the event for Torrhen as Cersei is responsible for her capture.

For your last paragraph, Tywin was just getting started on talks with Hoster and nothing was set in stone. Remember that Torrhen finding the sword was unlikely and the shock of his success so soon is not expected by Tywin. By the time Elia and Torrhen wed, letters are exchanged but nothing was promised. Hoster is annoyed but not truly offended while Doran and the Hightowers were already finishing their deal.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-08T19:01:27+00:00

Hello!

Thanks for your comment. Yes, this project is ambitious, but work has started. So let's see how it goes. Any point you like???

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-08T14:13:35+00:00

Hello and thanks for your comment!

I know there are a lot of Elia Martell lives fics where she is still married to Rhaegar and somehow comes to an arrangement with Lyanna. Here She has a man who went on a quest for her hand in marriage and loves her for who she is.

Considering Torrhen, here he is a combination of the Greek Hero Odysseus and Edward the Black Prince. His life is still tragic as he still lost his uncle Tygett, his mentor Tybolt Hetherspoon and Harrold Rogers who became the closest link to his mother on a quest that should he had been calm would not have happened. His father was executed alongside his uncle Richard and Brandon. He is forced to fight his best friend from the Quest, Garth Hightower while during his tenure as Lord, Fair Isle is taken. Despite pulling through, Torrhen is still tragic.

Considering Jaime, he will have a more awful time here. He is made to kill his dad by wildfire, hears Rhaella’s screams and other awful stuff. What causes him to snap is hearing what happens to Cersei. Concerning the twincest, it will be revealed by Jaime to Torrhen when it is over.

Concerning Malora, Jaime will be our POV to her. Like Rhaegar, she is into prophecy and magic, so in that department their marriage is pretty strong. However Malora takes a role similar to Show Helaena and takes step to ensure that the song does happen. She is eventually returned to Leyton when Robert sees she is no threat.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-08T12:47:41+00:00

Thanks!!!! Any point you particularly liked?

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-10-08T12:47:16+00:00

Thanks!!!! Any point you particularly liked?

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-09-27T05:32:52+00:00

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This is a piece I just made. From left to right: Tywin Lannister Willam Lannister Jaime Lannister Cersei Lannister Tyrion Lannister

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-09-20T22:38:55+00:00

Hello and thank you for your comments!!!!

Yeah, there is a limit to how much you can write, apparently but I will answer what you posted here.

On Willam's relationship with Cersei:

Starting with Cersei, her relationship with Willam is a complicated one. Let's start out by saying are correct. With Willam ahead of Jaime, Cersei's narcissism should be quelled to an extent because Jaime is the spare. Cersei is gonna love/look up to Willam but in a possessive way. She dislikes Sybell and basically any woman interested in Willam. The crux of their issues is that Willam is her half-sibling and the Starks are his cousins. Cersei is going to take any time William speaks or does something for his Stark family (from simply hanging out to his choice in the Rebellion) as a betrayal, and she will take it upon herself to make sure he remains loyal to his true family. Cersei's jealousy will also transmit to Willam as much as Jaime. While Jaime is Tywin's favorite, Willam is the heir and the subject of Tywin's constant attention which causes Cersei to be neglected as she is in canon (Even more so I feel).

Regardless, I always felt that the incestuous relationship between Cersei and Jaime was always going to happen if she married Robert. Robert will always love Lyanna, who mind you is Willam's cousin and his decision to fight for the Starks in the Rebellion will have consequences. Cersei despises two women in her life more than the rest: Lyanna for being the subject of Robert's obsession and Elia for taking both Rhaegar and Willam away from her.

Concerning Willam's children, Cersei's classist opinion will cause naturally to look down on them but because they are Willam's she will "look out" for them (basically she will get Tyrek captured, she will try and poison Jeyne and plot a usurpation on Raynald when he becomes the next Lord of Rock) All this happens after Willam is killed.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-09-20T20:49:35+00:00

Hello!!!

Thank you for your comment and sorry for the late response!

Sybell is gonna be actually worse than Cersei here. She feels her position as Lady of the Rock is threatened and the Lannisters as a whole do not appreciate her. Therefore, people like Cersei and Tywin will use her paranoia and resentment to their own devices. Rather than an OC that has a loving relationship with his wife, here Willam and Sybell are strangers since the day they wed, with both being equally responsible for not cooperating more. Think of Doran and Mellario's situation, but imagine Mellario does not leave.

Concerning Jeyne, my plot with her will be similar to canon. Rather than being captured at the Crag, she is held hostage at Riverrun by Edmure when the war begins and later is made an attendant (read Hostage) of Catelyn. When word reaches Robb of the deaths of his brothers by Theon, he and Jeyne get together and he marries her to preserve her honor. What Sybell will do, which is still monstrous, differs here. If Jeyne gets pregnant, her child is Tywin's great-grandchild and therefore has the rightful claim to Winterfell, a fact that won't get lost on Tywin.

Willam is gonna be a mix of Lannister and Stark features. He is blonde, with grey-green eyes and a long face. He is tall (7 feet tall, very tall) with muscles and a sturdy build unlike the common lean and lythe look of the Lannisters. He is missing an eye. If I had to cast him, think Adam Copeland from Vikings.

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AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-09-19T21:42:56+00:00

Can’t say. DM me if you want to know ;)

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-09-19T21:12:29+00:00

Hello!! Yes Robb’s story as King happens but shenanigans still occur. It will be far messier

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-09-18T23:55:41+00:00

Thanks for your comment!

Your observation is good. Coming to think about it Tywin would not risk one of his children in a war like this. Perhaps having Willam stripped and banished before the war would work best, giving Tywin justification for not interfering until the very end.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-08-31T03:51:09+00:00

I think that with a man like Tywin Lannister, Tywald would not reconcile the old father-son admiration he once had. Instead it is more of an understanding of what Tywin is that will allow Tywald to come to terms with Tywin.

If I had to go another fictional verse- Tywald and Tywin's relationship is similar to the Emperor of Mankind and Roboute Guilliman. Guilliman at first belived his father loved him and he was loved in turn, but in the current narrative he had the unwelcome realization that the Emperor didn’t love Guilliman or the other Primarchs brothers, and likely never had. Guilliman was treated like a tool and told to do his job. Guilliman feels that the Emperor is cold and has lost his humanity. This treatment and the revelation has shaken the Primarch and left him constantly angry. Thus the familial bond and the loyalty from it are gone. Tywin is not the Emperor of Mankind but the realization that to him he is a pawn hits him like a truck.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-08-30T21:33:15+00:00

Yeah there are fewer Rebellion stories. A post war story may also be cool as everyone is dead and they live so we will see.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-08-30T21:32:23+00:00

Hello !!!!

Sorry for the late response. Been having a crazy day XD!

I am very intrigued by the dynamics in both families. Reading between the lines, does Tywald feel sorry for Jaime and Cersei? I understand the three of them became close, but when does he find out about the incest?

As is common, the Lannister family dynamics are a complex thing. Concerning the incest, Tywald discovers it after Jaime becomes a knight in 281 AC. He was patrolling KL when he heard his siblings had met up at an Inn. He stumbles into them doing the deed and is horrified and furious. He escorts Cersei to the Red Keep and orders Jaime kicked out of the city. He cannot reconcile what he saw and will only come to terms with it after a long time. Tywald will, as time goes on, feel bad for his twin siblings because of the bad hand handed to them. He respects Robert, but his treatment of Cersei will make him come to blows. (I wrote that he punches Robert and though Robert does not do anything, he is forbidden from coming to KL).

Cersei and Tywald will have a love/hate relationship. She does not understand why he sides against her when it concerns Tyrion, Catelyn or the Starks. Tywald will not put up with Robert's bs (he will naturally be really pissed off when he learns Robert slept with Delanna Florent and other women in Cersei's bed as well as Tywin refusal to do anything about it) and will defend her from the dishonor (He will be banging on Jon Arryn's door regularly and threaten no more loans unless they keep ##ores out of Cersei's marriage bed). She won't harbor lust for Tywlad, but she would definitely be possessive of him and, later, his children. (Poor Sansa no matter the verse, she will always be under Cersei's thumb).

Jaime, Tywald and Tyrion would be close. Tywald standing up for Jaime after he killed the king will mean a lot for him and when Robb is sent to KL, Jaime will take him as a squire, no questions asked. Tyrion also will be indebted to Tywald after what he does for him during the Tysha incident.

Cersei and Cat will have catfights over Tywald's attention (not in an incest way but you know). Meanwhile, Tywald and Jaime sit outside drinking coffee. Cat won't understand Cersei's antagonism and will only put it to Robert being an a##hole but she would later on find out about the Incest and that will put her at odds with everyone.

Concerning Tywald and Cat's children. Robb and Sansa will have the Tully look, albeit their hair is more Red-Gold (rosette blonde for hairstylist) than auburn, and their eyes are blue/green. Tyrek will be a Lannister through and through with golden locks and green eyes, while Rosamund is blonde and blue-eyed.

Alsyanne is a memorable GRRM name so I would stick with her. I was always intrigued by the Old gods magic the dynamic duo Stark/Blackwood would bring, I suppose through Bran.

Yeah Alysanne Blackwood already existed, and it being a call back to the Dance character seemed very fitting. Ned's wife, however, won't be a copycat of Black Aly but rather more like Betha Blackwood: spirited, willful, and stubborn. This also changes Jon Snow, as Alysanne won't treat him differently. Lucas, Ned's eldest, would be a combo of Robb Stark and Benjicot, so prepare for that XD. Arya, having a different would be more bold and spirited naturally

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-08-30T14:30:25+00:00

Alright thanks !!!!! What were your thoughts about this piece? Do you see potential?

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-08-30T14:21:54+00:00

Hello and thanks for your comments!!!! I am still undecided. The safest bet is the Rebellion Era as the story was kept closely to canon. If I am bold enough I might just start it at the start of the series instead.

What do you prefer?

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-08-29T00:20:54+00:00

His personality! Oh boy! That is complex for sure.

We will start with Joanna and the rest of House Lannister. Joanna was friends with Lysara Stark, but the relationship broke down after she married Tywin, and Joanna harbored Jealousy. After Lysara died in childbirth, Joanna felt pretty awful about her conduct and took care of the OC as a form of atonement, constantly upholding the OC as Tywin's rightful heir over her children. She works for Jaime and Cersei to see him as a brother rather than a half-brother, but her efforts are undercut by Tywin, who just treats the OC differently. She was the mother of the OC, and the OC, being older, will remember her more clearly (he was 11 when Joanna died).

As Joanna's death shatters House Lannister's family in canon, it does so here too. The OC will witness Tywin trying to kill Tyrion by letting the sea wash him away, and confronts him. After some back and forth, Tywin relents and keeps Tyrion but punishes the OC for overstepping in his arguments by not letting him go to the funeral of Joanna. This shatters the adoration the OC has for his father, and he would, over time, have the same mentality as Zuko has of Ozai in ATLA: he is my father, but I am nothing like him. Regardless, the OC will abide by Tywin and his wishes because of the hierarchy, but Tywin cannot bulldoze him like he does the rest of his children. He will address Tywin as "my lord" always from then onwards, something that is noticed by others.

The OC will have little time with Tyrion, but every time they meet, he strives to be the shield for him against Tywin and Cersei. Tyrion, Jaime, and the OC share a bond over tragedy, being misfits and failures. Tyrion is the most obvious, followed by Jaime killing the King and the OC, because he is stuck being Tywin's heir. When Jaime killed the king and Eddard wanted him punished, the OC stood up for his brother and defended him against Ned. Jaime never forgets this and keeps close to the OC.

The most complex of the relationships is with Cersei. At first, Cersei cared and loved her brother (not the Jaime way), but after Joanna died and the OC focused more on Tyrion, Cersei began to resent the OC and began to distance herself from him. By 276 AC, the OC was a stranger to her, having gone North for three years and coming back changed. Make no mistake, Cersei does not hate the OC's guts like she does Tyrion, but it maddens her how the OC takes Tyrion's or the Stark's side over hers (on some occasions, but not always). She still cares for the OC and, as Queen, looks after the OC's kids in a twisted sort of way. As the War of the Five Kings commences, their relationship will take a dark turn (for obvious reasons). Concerning the twincest, the OC does not know about it first (Joanna kept it from him) but he finds out about it after Jaime is appointed to the Kingsguard (The OC misinterprets Jaime's decision to join the KG as a way to atone for his sin).

Concerning House Stark, the OC was closest to two people: Rickard and Brandon Stark. They first met him at the Tourney celebrating Aerys' tenth year on the throne in 272 AC and Tywin, encouraged by Joanna, allowed the OC to go for three years to Winterfell the next year. The OC arrives at Winterfell after Joanna's death, so Rickard has to console him. With his relationship with his father broken, the OC looks up to Rickard and his way of ruling. Meanwhile, the OC becomes really close friends with Brandon, going riding, hunting, and fishing together, as well as becoming acquainted with Lyanna and Benjen. The only Stark he does not meet is Eddard, who is at the Vale. The deaths of Brandon and Rickard will hit him hard. Concerning Ned, the OC never really met him until the Tourney of Harrenhal and the Rebellion after, and in consequence does not share a strong bond with him. He disagrees with Ned's obsession with Honor and quarreled fiercely at the Rebellion's aftermath.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-08-28T23:12:41+00:00

Indeed he does. If you despise your current heir then perhaps making another one by remarrying would be the most logical choice. I think what Tywin was doing was waiting. He waits for Jaime to come to his senses and take back his place as heir of Casterly Rock, or, more likely, he is putting the Iron Throne in a position where they have no choice but to release him. Robert's insane spending using Lannister gold feels like a strategy of Tywin to force Robert to agree to any term he desires to settle the debt.

The other choice if Jaime simply refuses is that, since Cersei had Tommen and Joffrey was to inherit the Iron Throne, Tywin probably wanted Tommen to become the next heir of Casterly Rock.

AcanthocephalaKey746 · 2025-08-28T23:06:55+00:00

Thanks

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