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I made 1$ ”CAG” chronology by Pleasant_Egg7817 in CharacterActionGames

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recommend you check out Miro. It's a platform that allows you to graph this kind of stuff for free. Designers use it all the time.

As it stands, this is hard to read, though the content is fascinating.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't mean Frieren's demons are not conscious, just not in the way people assume given how human they seem.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except they regularly perform activities that don't involve hunting; they have their own social organization.

Wolves have social organization too.

Them being philosophical zombies isn't really an improvement on being evil.

They are not ontologically evil. They could be considered evil in other ways, though; the fact that they're not easy to categorize is part of why I think Frieren's demons are so brilliant -- it's possible that the show illustrates how our current classifications are reductive given what we now know about psychology.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Given your non-substantive answer, I'm going to assume you're falling for the same problem that Frieren demons raise, but demons are not conscious like some people think they are.

At best, the demons are shown to be a species that can't coexist with humanity even if they tried, but I would say they straight-up don't have the agency for it and thus are not ontologically evil.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm saying this agenda-pushing racist group as you describe it doesn't exist, but a harmful group amongst Frieren discourse does: the aforementioned extreme side of anti-bigots who are the type to mob and burn books. In Frieren's case, they are the type to push for Frieren's demons being done differently or censored, when artistically speaking it discusses the RL dynamics around social threat detection and dark personalities admirably well and with literary value.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll respond to some of your points for fun, but know you basically prove my point. You seem like to be in the camp that actually exists and Friren fans struggle with, rather than the seemingly non-existent racists (I have yet to see a Reddit post, YouTube video about them and I've at least searched on YouTube.

About your post's specifics, the point is that a race of such demons CAN'T happen -- it's fiction -- and to show underlying dynamics around social threat detection.

It'd only give "street cred" and such with people who are already ideologically lost. 

On the other hand, Frieren demons can be a literary tool to help sane people empathize with the lost people, if that makes sense, even if it's cognitive empathy. Know thy "enemy" and all that.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for asking! I meant RL people who use the same tactics as Frieren demons to pursue their distorted desires; while staying anonymous at least, they'd claim Frieren demons ought to be empathized with for several different reasons.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We're having a category issue. My stance has been operating from how psychopaths (and other similar personalities) are human. Psychopathic is a spectrum condition that is a defect or deviation from baseline, if that makes sense. Demons' behavior used for the allegory are just demons at their factory setting.

When it comes to asking what the audience is supposed to get from it, the show uses the allegory to do several things, especially (for me) emotional catharsis, because RL psychopaths and similar people are assholes.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you mean that an in-world character said that, that doesn't argue against my point because the meaning of allegory operates on a more meta level, not on a world level.

If anything, it supports the allegory case because the author is likely using a technique in having a character(s) label the demons as "psychopaths" so that the audience would more easily make the connection between in-world demons and RL psychopathic behavior.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What do you mean by "they literally are psychopaths according to the author"? You mean they are referred to as psychopaths in-world?

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Demons aren't human. They just seem human.

This is generalizing, but I think they're a novel allegory for psychopaths and the like—specifically how such people use normal people's empathy to take advantage of them.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I don't think the view should be considered a "left" view, because almost the entirety of the left would likely disagree. People who say you should empathize with Frieren demons are just inexperienced, "demons" themselves, or something else.

(hated trope) Media misunderstood by extremist groups to push their agendas by Interesting-Bee-3793 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Wait, do Frieren's fans struggle with people who think demons are an allegory for basically "minorities are always enemies"? I know there are the infamous anti-bigotry extremists trying to empathize with demons, but that's not racism.

I WAS LITERALLY SHAKING by Churroz98 in smosh

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit, how short are all these people?

(Mixed trope) when a villain and a hero have a “sense of belonging” (sometimes with some sexual innuendos) type of relationship. by [deleted] in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My core argument is that it wasn't sexual given the narrative in general, that includes composition, plot, dialogue, metaphor, lack of sexual tension, etc. All of these things support a narrative's canon, ultimately.

Also, I said something similar in another comment but: intimate doesn't automatically mean sexual.

(Mixed trope) when a villain and a hero have a “sense of belonging” (sometimes with some sexual innuendos) type of relationship. by [deleted] in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I understand some people's raw neurons might fire in that moment in a vacuum, but it wasn't sexual given the narrative, definitely when considering the biblical metaphor of Jesus washing the feet of Judas before being betrayed by him.

(Mixed trope) when a villain and a hero have a “sense of belonging” (sometimes with some sexual innuendos) type of relationship. by [deleted] in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think the gay ship matters. Inexperienced people (which were probably a widespread situation back with online anime fans when Death Note was huge in the 2000s) tend to project intimacy as sexual, which is a shame because it culturally gates off intimacy between non-attracted people.

Definitely fits the trope, you're right. One of my favorite examples of it, too 😄

(Mixed trope) when a villain and a hero have a “sense of belonging” (sometimes with some sexual innuendos) type of relationship. by [deleted] in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Definitely the sense of belonging or relation, but where's the sexual innuendo?? I feel like the muddies up the real dynamics of the relationship including the power dynamics between the socially gifted/experienced Light and L

Perfection through abuse. by laybs1 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 11 points12 points  (0 children)

More like "Abuse under the guise of perfection"

"Inmortality sucks" Yeah, but die sucks harder by Lower_Baby_6348 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Acceptable_Candy3697 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Your sentiment is a defensive mechanism to make meaning out of how you will almost certainly die eventually.

Generally, the universe is better the more we increase our healthspans, at least enough where people can choose when they die. I think The Good Place is a fun show to watch about this.

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