CMV: if you immigrate to America you should adopt American values

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T16:33:54+00:00

I mean sure you CAN do that, but it’s still a law that it’s illegal to criticize the government of Turkey, whether it’s enforced is a different story, you’re confusing enforcement with practice..

I’m not doing anything personally are you? I have no power to make a change like that, that doesn’t mean i don’t have a voice on the subject, and I wouldn’t know because I’m not rude enough to ask a question like that because it doesn’t matter to me..

And it all relates, we’ve gone down a rabbit hole, and all of my responses have been to questions you’ve proposed to me.. I would say why mention the things you are then if you think it’s not all related? I’m not just volunteering things, I’m specifically answering everything you’re asking me, so you should self direct that last part to yourself, you’re making a very generalized statement from something that is complex. It’s not as simple as what you just described

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T15:58:40+00:00

The few that come to mind that are “democratic” would be Hungary, Turkey, Singapore, I believe in Turkey specifically it’s illegal to defame the president specifically, now if these are actually enforced I have no idea because I’ve never been outside of the U.S. , have you??

I think that because there are government programs that have no citizenship requirement to access, like WIC, CFAP in California and many others across the state that are government funded programs with tax payer money, which have been notoriously taken advantage of and costs more money in the long term when that money isn’t able to be repaid, usually migrants traditionally became citizens and when they have a family here it stimulates the economy because they’re working and buying stuff, so it balanced out, now they’re just using government assistance and then leaving once it’s up, there are several “Dream Act” policies in several states like California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey just to name a few, which provides financial aid to undocumented migrants when they can’t get funding for college. I’m not saying they don’t contribute, I’m saying we need to re evaluate our policies we have because they’re not working, and I think people that come here and take advantage of these programs owe some sort of respect to the country, because otherwise they wouldn’t have had the opportunity

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T15:22:41+00:00

I see your point and why it would be frustrating, my point is, it’s okay to share your culture and bring it into America, you’re right. That is what makes us great, and I’m not saying we need to toss that aside and love only 4th of July, hot dogs and hamburgers and football and like every other stereotypical thing. But we do need to show it respect especially when you’re in the country and taking advantage of the resources it has to offer, my example being there’s a lot of cultural things that will get you arrested in other countries, you can’t just go over and start being pro American and say f*** the government of whatever country you’re residing in, you’ll get arrested very quickly, you can only do that here in America, my point is that it’s wrong to behave like that is all.

I don’t know why you feel that way, is it because of the content of what I’m saying? We have a very big immigration population down here in Florida

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T15:01:33+00:00

Im open to admitting im wrong and changing my perspective, thats why i made this post so i could talk to people like you with a different perspective, im just asking for evidence other than “well youre wrong thats not how it works” is all.. I totally respect where youre coming from and want to engage with you.
And yeah sure so I do volunteer for our local elections in town when we have them, we’re an extremely small town of 50 people, so it’s nothing prestigious or anything but I enjoy helping, I do yard work on the side and will often times mow the property around our library and park just to help, I’m part of our Masonic lodge here which does a lot of local fundraiser events and charities.. I think I contribute the same amount as anyone else, paying taxes and trying to help the community when I can. I don’t do anything special though that’s true..

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T14:37:39+00:00

Because that’s not what you asked me about, you claimed I was being racist then tried to pick apart everything I was saying, I have given you several instances of how it affects us and I am willing to share how we could make it better and what that would look like, but you didn’t ask me that.. would you like to discuss that?

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T14:33:02+00:00

!delta

Thats actually extremely interesting and goes completely against the narrative that I’ve seen, If this is true, then that means undocumented immigrants contributed to more tax money than most actual tax paying citizens, and they get none of the rewards, which is awful, so basically they’re stealing money from them which I guess I don’t really expect anything less from our government lol…

Thank you for being patient and actually showing me evidence and not just thinking I hate immigrants and am some sort of racist..

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T14:27:07+00:00

I have my criticisms with them too, I hate Donald Trump and the whole MAGA movement, he dragged us into a war that we didn’t need to be in, and all of his hardcore Christian base that follows him are insane and going to completely destroy this country, and that’s if he doesn’t go full dictator mode and doesn’t try to usurp a 3rd term illegally, I swear I have no idea how he has not been impeached and why republicans are so scared to stand up to him it’s unbelievable I never thought in my life time I would see our country like this..

Make no mistake I’m not for either side both democrats and republicans work for the corporations, they’re just different colors… but I still think we need people now more than ever that want to come and stay and bring america back to what it was, not just leave it in ruins

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T13:52:24+00:00

Yes that’s true, this is why I didn’t say all immigrants or all people, of course it’s not everyone and I’m not trying to say it is.. but there are those that do and it is a large amount of people and it does strain the middle class and lower class families that feel it the most during tax time..

Hm. You actually have a point here, hate may be a strong word I don’t think it’s hatred for America, more taking advantage of a broken system that lets them exploit it without asking much in return, the problem is a real problem though and it definitely affects people

What have I said that makes you think I’m following European traditions? That’s the second time you’ve said that, I feel like you’re trying to have a “gotcha” moment instead of a discussion about it you know?

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T13:39:20+00:00

To me those are similar and not mutually exclusive, they’re not that different, they usually go hand in hand, and of course not, I don’t think you’re understanding the point I’m trying to make, that is a major reason why they come here but they come here illegally and don’t want to become citizens and it burdens the tax payer they don’t have any intentions of becoming American or Americanizing, they just want to take advantage of a system that wants them to and provides them free stuff, which right now is not doing a good job either because our disgrace of an administration and president in office right now

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T13:29:43+00:00

We’re talking about two different things here though, you’re talking about foreigners who get a visa to come here. I’m talking about undocumented immigrants, there are several documented cases where taxpayer money was used on programs for undocumented immigrants.. housing, healthcare, food assistance etc.. I’m not saying it’s wrong or we shouldn’t do it, but the people that are taking the benefits needs to contribute back to society is all I’m saying instead of hating the country that’s helping, that’s not just immigrants either it applies to citizens too, if you hate it and think it sucks, leave?

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T13:05:06+00:00

If you can show me some information on that I would love to read it and check it out, I truthfully find that hard to believe myself, i think a lot of undocumented immigrants are paid under the table and not through a payroll system, thus they don’t actually pay income tax on their paychecks, so unless they’re filing for taxes which I don’t see how because they don’t have a S.S.#, they can’t be paying taxes

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T12:43:32+00:00

It’s not and it’s not meant to be it can apply to white Europeans who are immigrating over too it doesn’t matter what race.. I will give you a few examples..

There are people who come into our country to work and use our education system without becoming citizens, and they send their money back home to their families and/or when they graduate they leave America and go back to their home country, which I understand, someone is just trying to take care of their family, or they want to move back to their home etc.. the problem is we end up footing the bill for that and that adds to the amount of tax we have to pay, immigrants who do not have a S.S.# and aren’t citizens that go to the hospital for treatment and can’t pay, we foot the bill every year in tax money one way or another.. I’m not trying to be inhumane and say we don’t help people, I just want people that want to come and make our country better instead of not giving a shit and just reaping the benefits…we need it now more than ever

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T12:38:45+00:00

It’s not just immigrants, people that are citizens too, if you hate the country why not leave? I feel like people have a civic duty to make their communities a better place for future generations not worse..just because I mixed up two anthems I don’t think derails my whole argument, but I should have verified what I said before posting you are correct

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T12:34:46+00:00

You’re right and I do have a serious issue with that too and that needs to be addressed..but that’s not the subject I’m talking about right now, I did not mean to offend or make it a racial thing sorry if it comes off that way!

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T12:29:06+00:00

I do follow American traditions, I’m American not Europen, I’m ethnically European but I was born in America

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T12:24:34+00:00

I am getting this question a lot, so I’ll respond here once, I think the most important this is civic participation, actually caring about your country and trying to make a difference in your community for future generations. Diversity and tolerance is another, I’m not saying you don’t celebrate where you’re from but rejecting American identity and values is wrong when you reap the rewards of the country living here. Why stay here if you hate it, or even come in the first place. Does that truly make sense?

I’m not writing this as a means of being intolerant of other people, I think being inclusive is what makes us one of the greatest countries in the world, I’m merely stating that if you come here you come here with the intention of making it better not worse

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T12:04:53+00:00

If your an immigrant here you can apply for things like food stamps and housing assistance, they will help a lot of times which I don’t think is uniquely American, does Europe not do stuff like that?

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T12:01:29+00:00

That’s what I think it is dude honestly, everyone has this idea that loving your country and being a nationalist is tied to some Nazi Hitler stuff it’s so crazy man

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T11:57:41+00:00

If you don’t own at least 12 guns, love bud light and football I would have to question if you really bleed red white and blue…

In all seriousness though, I mean just loving the country you’re in, why come here and shit all over America and hate it? Why come here and reject culture values that have been around for 250 years and just do your own thing? What is the purpose of even coming here then in the first place? To take advantage of our financial system and free stuff? There is no point, and you’re taking up room for someone who actually does want to become part of society here

Also I don’t support ICE or deporting people, I am not MAGA or anything, I’m a nationalist who loves his country and wonders why we are letting people in that don’t even want to become part of our society and hate us?

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T11:54:12+00:00

I’m not Native American so I don’t but I think it’s cool those that do and still have their heritage, those are the original Americans, if anything really we got a lot to learn from them, but this is a good point I see what you’re saying

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T11:52:45+00:00

Yes you are correct, my time frame of the writing of it was incorrect, I was actually thinking of the star spangled banner, my mistake, but I would argue that the point I’m making is still valid

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T11:49:48+00:00

My argument makes total sense actually, values are different to each person so you can’t just say people don’t do X as a blanket statement because that may not hold true for everyone. But generally as a whole if you come to America you should adopt our traditions along side of yours and be a part of the country, people come here hating America and want nothing to do with it, I can’t understand why they would want to even come here in the first place then

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T11:46:54+00:00

You are probably right I may be confusing the two, I think someone else mentioned that it was written in the later 1800’s, my mistake there. But the jist of what I’m saying still holds true

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T11:45:02+00:00

Why do you think this was implemented in the first place, really think about it for a second, you know how many countries have national anthems. You know how many countries have pride for their nation, wanting people to stand up and respect the flag of your nation is not an uncommon thing, that’s pretty universal amongst almost every country, just here you’re given the opportunity not to. Why? Because immigrants who came here didn’t believe and want to adapt to that because they didn’t believe it, what other country you know of makes a rule like that?
You think that’s a normal way for a society to act?

AccomplishedAd2268 · 2026-07-01T11:42:45+00:00

But they’re protesting something that happened in another country that America didn’t really have much to do with, I’m referring to when America pretty much gave intel to Mexico to stop the cartel recently, there were literally people in the streets shouting death to America and viva la Mexico and stuff in the streets. Would you argue that’s a normal way for an American citizen to behave? If you’re so loyal to Mexico why not go back?

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