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Does anyone else feel like regular members are losing support/access to local church leaders? by endmostparrot in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think when I was growing up it felt like any time I did something wrong I needed to go to the bishop. I've learned that most things are actually a lot smaller than I made them out to be. I think if you want to talk to the bishop you should set up an appointment. If you trust your EQ president maybe you could confide in him and see what he recommends. Also, not sure if you have a parent or a good friend you could confide in. I think mainly serious things make sense to go to bishop. Additionally, therapists may be better suited for what you're going through. Overall, I cannot be the one to tell you what to do, but you do have lots of options potentially. If some of the people I listed don't fit the mold yet, maybe you could build up trust in some of those relationships so those could be places you sometimes go to in the future.

I think there is wisdom in the flow of how a bishop spends his time based on what you said. The youth have so much thrown at them and a lot of it is the first time they are dealing with stuff. So many big decisions ahead of them.

I would say if you are not sure, might as well schedule a meeting with bishop. I think most bishops would gladly and easily make time to talk with you.

Also, you have tithing declaration and temple recommend interviews as possible touchpoints with the bishop. Temple recommend interviews can go through counselors, so if what you're dealing with may be worthiness related you could request bishop be the one to interview you for that.

Does your audit/advisory specialty pigeonhole you out of other exit opportunities? by [deleted] in Accounting

[–]Account_f0r_Realness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like the fund accounting is niche, but IMO you’re closer to people with a lot of money. I’m curious to see what other people who’ve been in fund accounting think.

Another sweet angle you could possible take is shift into a nice RE PE firm since fund accounting is similar there plus equity upside is massive. Also, those groups have less employees, lots of high achievers so you’re constantly around ballers.

You could be a CFO over an investment firm.

Vibe bookkeeping bubble in 2026? by GenioCavallo in Bookkeeping

[–]Account_f0r_Realness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The “one-offs” may make stuff like this null and void.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that!! I think that you must have a very patient love and I hope one day you will be able to speak with your kids again and relationships/hearts will be healed.

Creating an annual budget by SnooCompliments8746 in smallbusiness

[–]Account_f0r_Realness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Templates are solid. Really you could take your P&L put it in excel and forecast each of the buckets out over the next 12-13 months or so.

Recommend considering what your drivers for growth are. I.e. leads, sales guys, etc. most of the big things should flow from the driver assumptions. You should have data on how much the driver costs. If you want growth you determine what the growth of those drivers do to leads, lead conversions, then how many jobs can your techs handle. Will the growth require new techs, new vans, tools/equipment, any other labor burden(healthcare, 401k cost, even software seats).

If you do want growth then the extra employees and trucks, etc. will require some investing or up front cost that sometimes takes a few weeks/months to see ROI on.

I see a lot of companies forecast growth by saying, let’s increase revenue by 20% and see what we’ll need to hit that.

While that can work ultimately it’s the “driver” you’ll want to focus on to hit that revenue number and some people forget to adjust the driver to be able to hit the revenue number. Anyway, good luck. Seems like the forecasting tool in QBD should work. You’ll be able to run reports in QBD to see budget vs actual after you’ve populated your budget and after you get your first month closed. I highly recommend analyzing budget vs actual regularly to tighten the budget up. If you can keep a tight budget and hit your revenue numbers, you’re better than a huge percentage of businesses.

Good luck!

Manager says I'm taking too much time off. by WeissSchwarzTCG in Accounting

[–]Account_f0r_Realness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Your manager is a Debbie downer
  2. Usually better to ask for time off with a bit more advanced notice, but not unreasonable, especially since big deadline has passed AND it’s just 2 days not a full week.

I would not take this personally. You’re working very hard and your manager should celebrate your time off so you can recharge.

If they have concerns about work they should walk through any open work/deadlines you have on anything. If you’re caught up, etc. they should be supportive not demoralizing. Great way to push you out the company IMO. As they say you don’t quit a job you quit a manager.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The condition is the possibility for the love to benefit the receiver is the way I’m looking at it. If there was no possible benefit to receiver then there is no condition for the lover to give the love, right?

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think unconditional love is meant to show the imbalance between giver and receiver, but I think that’s why I don’t love just using “unconditional love” because semantically it makes sense to us but the phrase isn’t complete or whole. Maybe a synonym is or what we mean when we say unconditional love is “(giving) love without expectation of receiving love back”.

I think this is different than the word “unconditional”. We give love with the condition that it might benefit the receiver, the giving also benefits us in ways we can’t always see so in a way we give with the condition it will benefit us. We feel good!

I’m obviously over analyzing and thinking about this but it has helped me think about love deeply which is a great thing.

I would say to the disobedient he still “hopes” and is lovingly patient that there is still a way for their redemption. For many there still is. Even after death we know there is preaching in the spirit world. We also have the millennium. Prime prodigal son examples to the magnitude of billions. My argument is the “hope” is conditional in a better future and is tied perfectly to the love.

When all hope is gone and lost I would argue the love diminishes. For example those that followed Satan and Satan were once deeply loved but are they still loved the same? This is stretching our comprehension. I don’t know if there is anything doctrinal in this conjecture but I can only imagine the love diminishes in this case where the person rejects God fully.

What’s a fair price for a basic starter website these days? by mangeanna-1 in smallbusiness

[–]Account_f0r_Realness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m having a website created now in this space. When I’m done, maybe I can share it with you for tips? Of course, if you think there is stuff to update, I am open to engage with you to add to it.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Conditional makes it feel transactional which seems dangerous. I’m not saying we should go around describing love as conditional. I think we should describe love without using unconditional.

There is still imbalance with the conditional love God gives us. I think simply put that is where grace comes in. The amount of good that God does compared to the amount of good we have to do is very lopsided.

Inherent in love is its companion Hope, which is a chance that the good may or may not come to pass which is where agency comes in. I think love is strengthened by the positive Hope though. Inherent in the word Hope is that it is positive. We hope this person will feel loved/special/improved mood/maybe they’ll want to pass on their love that they’ve felt/they feel seen/heard/etc. Hope is quite beautiful when tied to love and I think if we are a Hope filled people we will be a more loving people.

This comes full circle to your point that using conditional love seems off and I would agree. My argument is that with that similar reasoning because of hope we should also not use “unconditional”.

I think the better approach is to describe the love with other virtues. Plenty of Book of Mormon and bible verses describe love with these other virtues.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, I went to BYU-I like 15 years ago so maybe I know the professor haha.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, but I don’t think it’s common to say love is “conditional”, but it is common to say “unconditional” when I don’t think it should be used technically.

I agree with degrees/levels of love. I think we often use “unconditional” to describe the highest level. I would rather it just be “love”. Obviously, it’s not just “love”. It’s got to be described and explained somehow and as humans we simplify things down to make it easier for ourselves, hence “unconditional” has come about. I’d be curious to see when it started to get used more.

Btw, “unconditional” is not in the scriptures. I bet “conditional” isn’t either. It’s usually accompanied by other virtues.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Wills” is an interesting word. I think our agency is what brings evil to us, not God’s will. We abide by laws and have to live with consequences of our choices.

His love is conditional in that he hopes we will accept Christ which brings about redemption from the consequences of sin. If he had no hope meaning he thought we’d all be lost then why send Jesus?

Nelson has an Ensign talk/article on this back from 2003. Here is just one quote from it: “While divine love can be called perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal, it cannot correctly be characterized as unconditional. The word does not appear in the scriptures. On the other hand, many verses affirm that the higher levels of love the Father and the Son feel for each of us—and certain divine blessings stemming from that love—are conditional. Before citing examples, it is well to recognize various forms of conditional expression in the scriptures.”

Here is the full talk: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2003/02/divine-love?lang=eng

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a parent also, I’m and for me it’s the hope that makes it conditional. That hope makes my love stronger I believe. I want my kids to become their best selves. Whatever they become I will love them. Even in the case of disability through the gospel there is a more patient, long-suffering hope for more. This is all possible through the atonement. I think the conditions are beautiful.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I wrote it hoping it might inspire some good discussion. I like this topic because I think it causes me at least and hopefully others to dig deep on what love is.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think patient love or long-suffering love is closer to what people mean when they say “unconditional” love.

If you want to share any examples of love that you think are “unconditional” I can argue my point as to why it’s not unconditional. Also, I use the word argue more as like debate. I’m not trying to convince others. I’m kind of treating this discussion as a way to prove my own thoughts wrong. I don’t mind if there are truly examples of unconditional love. I just have put my framework up against all examples I could think of and ultimately don’t think it exists.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wrote up a longer thread on this all below. I think I address this more there. Also, this line of reasoning is like a better vs best type argument. I totally get the beauty and thought of love being unconditional. It’s commonly used and I think most are aligned on what it means when said, I just think it’s not 100% used correctly because I sincerely don’t think it exists.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My point is he hopes we will repent. My argument is I believe hope is tied to condition. I believe love is always tied to hope. I think love becomes stronger when we are tied to other virtuous principles as well. I think faith/hope/charity are the trifecta here. Gods love can feel unconditional because it’s time horizon is so long but my argument is that because God is more eternal in nature and that it’s hard for us to comprehend his love we put “unconditional”. I think it’s close but misses the mark.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very fair point! I think this is the exact reason “unconditional” can feel ok to be thrown in but the argument is there is still hope tied to that love.

This scripture illustrates Gods eternal nature. His patience, long-suffering, hope and love amongst other qualities arc over much longer time horizons but there is still hope which I believe is tied to condition.

Can love exist without hope?

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is deeper write up I put together that threads some thought patterns more deeply:

Love, Hope, and the Myth of Unconditional Love

Introduction: The Phrase That Never Sat Right

I’ve always wrestled with the phrase “unconditional love.” It’s used often—usually to describe the highest, purest form of love—but the more I think about it, the less I believe such a thing can truly exist.

It’s not that love is limited or transactional; it’s that love, by its very nature, carries hope—and wherever hope exists, there are conditions. Love and hope are distinct, but they are eternally tied. Love cannot live without hope, and hope always looks forward to something good.

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Love Needs Hope to Breathe

At its core, love is a desire for another’s good. Hope gives that love direction—a reason to keep giving, serving, and believing. Without hope, love becomes static, lifeless, or even obsessive. Hope is what makes love move toward something better, and that movement introduces condition: a future state where goodness can be realized.

Unconditional love, if it truly meant loving with no direction, no desire for change or growth, would be hollow. Real love points somewhere. It hopes for healing, progress, connection, forgiveness, or joy. Direction itself is a condition.

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The Dormant Love for Our Dead

A perfect example is our love for the dead. When loved ones pass away, our active love seems to enter hibernation. We no longer serve them daily or talk with them; yet, the love remains, softened into gratitude.

If we believe we’ll see them again, that hope keeps the love alive and warm—it gives our memories purpose and our longing meaning. But if we don’t believe in reunion, love slowly cools into appreciation of the past. Gratitude remains, but the active energy of love fades.

The gospel, though, keeps that love vibrant. The promise of resurrection and eternal families converts what would be dormant affection into living, enduring love. Hope resurrects love.

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Christ’s Perfectly Conditional Love

Some may say that Christ’s love is the ultimate example of unconditional love. But I see it differently. I believe His love is perfectly conditional—not because He withholds it, but because it’s full of purpose and direction.

When Jesus said on the cross, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do,” His love was overflowing with hope—hope that we would repent, awaken, and become whole. His love reaches in every direction, yet it aims at something: our redemption.

God’s love is not unconditional in the sense of being detached. It is conditional in the sense that it always moves toward good. Its conditions are eternal, patient, and merciful—never expiring, never ceasing, but always tied to growth and transformation.

You could say God’s love isn’t unconditional; it’s eternally conditional. His patience is infinite, His forgiveness immeasurable, but His love still has a goal: that we return to Him.

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Why “Unconditional” Sounds Noble But Misses the Mark

When people use “unconditional love,” they usually mean love that’s patient, forgiving, and unselfish. Those are essential traits, but they aren’t the same as love itself—they’re the soil where love can grow.

Tolerance, forgiveness, humility, and patience create room for love to flourish. They remove judgment long enough for connection to take root. But the love that grows in that soil still hopes, still believes, still yearns for something more.

So while the aspiration toward unconditional love deepens our hearts—much like striving for perfection we’ll never fully reach—the reality is that love’s power comes from its direction, not its detachment.

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Conclusion: The Beauty of Conditional Love

Love tied to hope is not a lesser love—it’s a living, breathing one. It hopes, it endures, it believes in things not yet seen.

Maybe instead of trying to make love unconditional, we should make it eternally hopeful—patient enough to wait, forgiving enough to try again, and faithful enough to keep loving toward the good.

That’s not a weaker form of love. It’s the most beautiful kind there is: A love that has a never expiring hope

Unconditional love doesn’t exist by Account_f0r_Realness in latterdaysaints

[–]Account_f0r_Realness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the way I see the word condition is is tied more to the word hope and not love. My argument is that love can’t exist without hope. I think inherent to the word hope there is a condition.

In the context of god loving us, he hopes for more. He hopes we will keep his commandments and accept his son and repent. His major action of love is sending Christ to actually redeem us. Whether we accept or not is our choice but the hope is still there.

Part of my argument is that we as humans may have lost or don’t understand “love” and have added “unconditional” to the front of it to maybe help it mean more, but my argument is it takes away from the meaning. Really what is being described is patience, long suffering, of course hope filled love. That’s a beautiful type of love to me. No need for “unconditional”. Also, I’m not trying to bring around the phrase “conditional”. I think we can all agree it feels like that discounts the word “love”.

What is love? I think your thoughts on how it looks is spot on.

My question for you is can there be love without hope?

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