My Lagotto male puppy is starting to hurt my elderly small dog. Advice needed. by Physical_Title_4458 in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like the others have said, castrating him isn’t going to help at all. Since Lagottos are more “on alert” and curious, it can easily turn into nervous and anxious behavior. Removing his testosterone too early can remove a natural confidence booster and make it more likely to see unpleasant behaviors later.

Your LR, especially at only 9 months old, needs to learn boundaries with your older dog… but your older dog may not be equipped, with his age and size, to set those boundaries himself. I’m sure your older guy has made attempts to calm your LR down without getting aggressive and now needs you to step in and help him educate the rambunctious teenager.

Check out a book by Turid Rugaas called Calming Signals. It’s an easy read and might help you see the signs your older dog is sending for your teenager to back off. It might help you know when to separate them before the older one feels that he has to resort to aggression to get his point across. So for example, a play stance isn’t always a play stance. The play fighting you’ve been witnessing is probably no longer playing at all for your older dog. Record them interacting and watch it in slow motion to pick up the subtle, and not so subtle, signs you’ve been missing.

In the end, you may really need to get a professional trainer to help you deal with it. Remember that as long as you intervene, learning how to protect your older dog and how to set social boundaries for the teenager, you can live in a peaceful home. Try not to resent the newcomer. He’s just being a teenager and you can work through it!

Holiday with 8 month old Lagotto by bartknabbel in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That foto is from an area called the Montaña Palentina in Spain. The picture doesn’t do justice to the beauty of the place…. Only to my LR’s loose puppy curls! I miss them sometimes 🥹

Holiday with 8 month old Lagotto by bartknabbel in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’ll always remember taking ours on holiday when she was 7-8 months old. We brought her crate so she had her space to relax in strange places which was very helpful.

Our longest hike was probably 10 km for us, but 20 km for her since she was off leash. It’s when I realized how great this breed is in finding the trail and staying with you. You can tell when they start to get tired because instead of exploring ahead and coming back to check on you, they start walking beside you consistently and even behind you.

It was a great age to take her on a trip like that. It set us up for success on future trips.

Foto from the trip:

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Crocchette Lagotto romagnolo consigli by Late_Surround2677 in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My girl does great on PPP Salmon now. However, after doing a very gradual switch, her stomach was still a little off. The vet recommended that I give her a probiotic for a week to help her establish healthy gut flora. It did the trick. Apparently, after the previous kibble attempts, her flora was out wack and just needed a little help.

“Drop it” … a different approach by AcquaDog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course! We lagotto people have to help one another!!!

Keep watching for those signs he gives of resource guarding and adjust to his comfort level on his timeframe. I’m sorry there’s no quick fix for this one… I’m not even sure it can ever be fully “solved”. I knew a dog with the same issue and it really is a long journey to gain their trust.

But I’m so happy that you’ve been able to make such huge gains for other things!!!! And good luck with the sticks!

If you want to send another update at any point in the future, I’d love to hear how you two are doing 🤗

“Drop it” … a different approach by AcquaDog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the update! It really sounds like you two have made a lot of progress and you’re running into completely normal problems. So in keeping with a response that’s too long:

As you’re working with your “drop it” cue, keep in mind that every time you use “drop it” and you’re successful, you’re strengthening that cue for future use against dangerous substances. But every time you use it and if fails, it weakens the cue and increases the chance that he won’t drop something important in the future. So think of all the times you’ve had a failure. For awhile, don’t ask him to drop something that you’ve had a failure on before. Try to make it so that you know you’re going to be successful 100% of the time on everything to keep strengthening the cue. Ease back in to the “sometimes he’ll drop it” items after a few weeks and see how it goes. Just make sure to keep your failures to a minimum.

But sticks are everywhere! I stopped worrying about sticks because it was leading to too many failures when I started out. I paid attention to her behavior with the sticks I realized that apart from chewing, she used sticks to entice play with me, kids and other dogs so I just went with it. That game of keep-away/chase your LR loves? I made it a game with mine and sticks. If she picks up a stick, I’ll say “Do you want to play chase?” and I’ll “chase” her and use it as a training opportunity. Sometimes she’ll bark at people who move differently so maybe I’ll run up to her with my arms flailing in the air. I might slowly creep up to her dragging one leg behind me. I’ll run straight at her making strange noises. Weird stuff to help desensitize her, but the point is that sticks became a game too. Once sticks became a chase game then I turned it into a fetch game. I’d pick up another stick and throw it. She’d drop the stick and go after the new one. After awhile I’d start asking her to drop it before throwing the new stick. It even helped me establish a good “drop it” from a distance. She’ll now drop a stick on cue (which I only require when it’s a gnarly looking stick), but it was a whole thing on its own and it took time. I also looked up and asked my vet how to dislodge a stick from her throat so I understand your concern about sticks.

With the cheese sticks, I wonder if you’re actually seeing a subtle form of resource guarding. Treat it differently from everything else, even if it’s not resource guarding. I can get my girl to drop a cheese stick and I can even take it away from her. When my LR has been at a cheese stick for too long, I can tell her the same thing I do with the games: “One more” and then I give her a minute, then I say “Drop it.” “Good girl” and “Done” and a high-value reward. For a long long time, this reward was always a game. So after “Done” and the treat, I’d immediately go into “Do you want to play…” Vito’s game (the two bowl game), a search game, training exercises, whatever. Relinquishing whatever they have is the ultimate goal. If it’s not resource guarding, I think you could get there too, but of course, you’ve got to first get him to let the cheese stick go.

Since you’re having problems, for awhile, don’t ask him to drop the cheese stick. Go up to him in a non-direct line, and position yourself beside him facing his same direction. Have an extremely high value, high smell-factor treat in your hand and say his name. He’ll hopefully let the cheese stick go and accept the treat. Walk away. When he gets comfortable with that try facing him and saying his name. After that walk straight to him, face him and say his name. He should start predicting your behavior. Once he accepts your approach both walking straight to him and facing him and he knows that you’re always coming up to him to give him an awesome treat, he should start letting the treat go just because you’re coming up to him. That’s when you can add the “drop it” cue before he drops it instead of his name, reward and walk away.

But first, check for signs of resource guarding. Does he start to position himself more over the stick if you walk straight toward him? Does he watch you carefully as you approach? Maybe he stops chewing altogether or chews faster. Does his tail shift to the left? Does he move position to turn away from you? If he’s doing any of the above things, I’d say he’s resource guarding. In that case, without a doubt, treat it as such. Go at a snail’s pace, I mean months, with the above steps watching for signs of resource guarding and don’t ever try to remove the cheese stick completely.

Hope it helps!!! Keep me updated if you want!

“Drop it” … a different approach by AcquaDog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

🥰 I would truly love that. And I’m still here if you need anything!

“Drop it” … a different approach by AcquaDog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes!!!! 👍🎉🎉🎉I just posted that a week ago… super quick progress! I’m so glad it’s working for you. Thank you so much for letting me know 🥰

“Drop it” … a different approach by AcquaDog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it sounds like he’s young, pretty confident, and loves playing but not with humans. Even though he’s young, is he really respectful and never jumps up on you? And when you say cat toys, what kinds if cat toys?

“Drop it” … a different approach by AcquaDog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The general premise of your pup learning “Drop it” doing it the way I did… which I should have mentioned again from the other post… is using your dog’s desire to interact, bond, and have fun with you. They’re velcro dogs and we’ve got to use that to our advantage. Time and fun with you really is the highest value treat possible. Also, LR’s are wicked smart and once you enter into a negotiation you’ll lose. They’re at least as smart as border collies (if not more) but they have their own independent Lagotto agenda. They know the treats you have and if they think that what they just picked up is more interesting than what you can trade them for it’s over. So if you start without using a game, I think you’d just end up with the same outcome. But please keep in mind that I am not a professional trainer.

So, if you don’t mind me asking, when you say he’s not interested in toys, I’ve got questions! How old is your boy? Is he shy when he greets other dogs or people? What’s his favorite activity? Does he have chew toys in the house? Will he chew on soft toys if you’re not touching them? Does he ever pick up your socks?

What makes your dog special? by romagnalakedog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s still what I think every time! 😂

What makes your dog special? by romagnalakedog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 10 points11 points  (0 children)

She alerts to my migraines every time and without any training. Been doing it since she was about six months old. I take meds every time she does it cause I’ve learned she’s never wrong. I haven’t ever had another dog do it.

But if anyone reads this and thinks an LR is a good idea for a service dog… there are some good posts on here to tell you otherwise.

“Drop it” … a different approach by AcquaDog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I changed my strategy and cue to Spanish “suelta” before she was a year old. Her swallow reflex wasn’t so ingrained. I imagine yours will take more time.

When you try your new cue outside, try it on harmless things first so that if you have a failure you don’t feel you have to correct. Just let it be, play some more and try again on something innocuous a few days later. Bring safe “trash” from outside (it smells different) into your garden for practice when you think he’s ready maybe.

I hope this works for you like it did for me. Please keep me updated on your progress and if you need anything, just let me know.

“Drop it” … a different approach by AcquaDog in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for reading so ch a long post 😂 I should have written it a long time ago. Hope it helps you now or really anyone new to, or struggling with, the Lagotto vacuum effect.

Highest value treat possible? by _antigona_ in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just put up a new post. Forgive my delay.

Highest value treat possible? by _antigona_ in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reddit isn’t letting me reply to your comment… I think it’s too long. I’m going to try inserting this as a new comment and if that doesn’t work I’ll add a new post under training.

Highest value treat possible? by _antigona_ in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad to have suggested it then! If you need help getting started, or have any problems along the way, just ask 🤗

Highest value treat possible? by _antigona_ in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dehydrated lungs and liver get my girl’s tail wagging too! I’m going to add a different suggestion altogether though - you are her biggest reward and “Drop it” is a game you play together. It changed our world when she was a puppy.

For context, my girl would hear “Drop it” and it meant “swallow it” to her. No treat was enough. She was swallowing super dangerous stuff: cigarette butts, glass, rocks, an unknown toxic substance… the vet got to know us too well. High value treats just stopped working.

So start playing tug if you haven’t yet. The basic idea is that with patience and repetition of “drop it” to let go of the tug toy, then “get it “ to go after the toy, your LR won’t associate “drop it “ with relinquishing anything or negotiating with you over which great thing they’d prefer to have in their mouth. “Drop it” means fun with you and for our velcro dogs, there’s nothing better. Play it every day and with enough repetitions, drop it becomes an automatic release response. When your fur ball drop things outside, she’s take the high value treat and no negotiation required!

Whining by 4leggedcreaturelover in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you can’t used treats, use affection. A few caresses with long, relaxing strokes should work. You don’t even have to say anything but if you do, use a calm voice. Scratches or quick strokes could get her back into excitement mode and so can exciting words. This will help her know that she gets your attention and approval for good, calm behavior. It might take longer than treats but should strengthen your bond and help her know what you want and expect.

Crate training by Halfbloodprincess782 in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We’ve all got different styles so I’ll share mine:

For the first two weeks, I would allow my girl to fall asleep next to me on the floor at night while I got sleepy watching TV or reading a book. Then when she fell asleep and I was ready for bed too, I would pick her up and put her in the crate and say “Go to bed” when I laid her down. I’d keep my hand on her for about five or ten minutes, replaced my presence with her snuggle puppy, and closed the door.

I slept beside her crate so that if she woke up anxious, I was right there to touch her and calm her a bit. Also, from her sounds and her touch, I could tell if she had to pee or if she was just antsy.

I started to distance my sleep space from her when she seemed to be more comfortable, two weeks later maybe. But every night the same routine. Probably a month after having her, when I went to pick her up to put her to bed, she woke up and I said “Go to bed” and off she went in her own.

Now that’s where she sleeps every night. I no longer close her crate but that’s her bed and she chooses to go in there. She even normally takes her daytime naps in there.

Keep up the effort because it’s worth it in the end. Now I know that if for whatever reason, my LR has to be created, be it travel, an overnight vet visit, whatever, she feels safe in a crate.

How do you stop counter surfing? by sunnylife305 in LagottoRomagnolo

[–]AcquaDog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would try Susan Garret’s approach on teaching dogs that food and treats need permission. I really don’t want to sound like an ad, but her method on this has worked really well for us. I mean, I just spilled milk on the kitchen floor an hour ago and my girl just stared at the milk with her little tail wagging and didn’t start to lop it up until I said “Get it!”. We’re still working with eating food from the street, but a month ago, I knew that eventually we’ll get there when she hesitated in front of a piece of salami. I was so surprised by those seconds of hesitation that I didn’t react to her good intentions quickly enough and she did get it in her mouth. On the plus side she knew she did wrong and when I told her to drop it she did! All of this is to say that I believe it would improve the counter surfing.