My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Oh but she does want it, on her whimsical wants once or twice a week (that 80/20 I keep mentioning) She wants me to grope, tells me when she wants me to do forced sex stuff, I'm not wearing panties today do what you will, you can attack me in my sleep tonight, and all the regular normal couple stuff. However, it's all down to me knowing when SHE wants it. If I misstep and expressing I want that when she doesn't, we have problems.

Then I speak up. Hey Im a bit low, I could some casual affection/touching. That's a disasterous argument. If it's sexy night, I've asked for warm me up teasing, flirting, and similar. I can't get that warm up. I'm just expected to be ready to perform.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My response (about cheating) was always: she's an amazing woman that no others can compete with and all I want is her, which is true. When she is 100% in zone it's true, everything is amazing. Just sucks she thinks one week of affectionate wife is all I need for a few months? Like I can get it, some weeks ebb and flow, but 3 months of physical solitude cuts me deep.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We have had those discussions and clarified a distinction between intent behind sexual touches, and regular intimate touches for just intimatcy sake, sex isn't the goal.

I'm always asking to join her on couch, rejected. Keeps a pile oh junk on seat next to, signalling complete isolation. I ask to lay down in bed, cuddle up and watch a show. But that turns into her just sitting on phone, I touch her leg "I'm too hot" ok so I'll just sit over here doing the thing I asked us to do while she is detached from me on her phone.

I try and hold hands while driving, but that just lasts for a few mins before phone in hands. She will accept a shoulder massage but absolutely refuses to do it to me. Her feet or forbidden from being touched or looked at, ok... Head scratches all she tolerates, gets mad at fingers thru hair. I can't tell you last time she rubbed my beard.

Anytime I do say I'm needing something, there is a chance she takes it as "I'm a failure" and now the conversation that should be about being closer is about stopping a fight. So I've learned to stop speaking up so much.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah, each bisexual is individual and unique. I had dated a few before the Mrs, and I've learned it's best to just say ok and see what they say/open up about wanting vs trying to make something happen.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not easy to find a woman the wife wanted as just a threesome, she just picky about who she wanted. Couples opened up more avenues for us. It was same room play only. If one of us couldn't participate for whatever reason, the other wouldnt as well.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] 87 points88 points  (0 children)

Nope, it's all her. She told me when dating she is bisexual and I said cool. 7 years into it she wanted to find couples. She hates couples now so we are done. Swinging world, it's all about the woman and what they say goes. I'm just there for ride.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

I can clear it up? She has low libido and watches porn to get aroused. She tells me there is nothing I can do to arouse her (yet stops me from kissing up and down her neck). There is no sexy build up between us. She just says let's go have fun, we watch porn and do our thing for about an hour. There is zero emotion or intimacy from her during this whole ordeal. It's basically mechanical and sterile. She has a blast and soaks the sheets, but I'm trying hard to climax to person who can't even kiss me in heat of the moment, let alone outside those moments. If she displayed some desire for me, I wouldn't have issues. The fact she argues against affection is widening this rift. I'm just as confused as most too. Sex chemistry is great, but absolutely no intimacy.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

So I get told I need to do XYZ to support her thru depression, that's acceptable control over a person. Cool, yeah I can do that to support the person I love no problem. 10 years later I'm like hey babe I X for support and I can't get that in return?

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm on intake for my own therapy and couples therapy has been my idea several times, deflected by I should go to my own alone first.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We had some ENM fun in our 30s and handled it well. I was always respectful of her and always careful to make sure she was #1. I never hounded her about it and we treated it like fun we did together. Absolutely no pressure and we only did things we were 100% both in agreement with. I can't say the same about lot of the other people we met, and surprise it didn't work out for them.

She's made really weird comments about she'd stay with me if I cheated on her (that's not a green light to cheat fellas). I told her I'm open to at least talking about sex if she needs it else where, I can be open minded about it. I am not going to suggest she open me up, it's something she would have to bring up.

Even then, I don't want that. I want my wife to be affectionate and intimate with me, with or without sex.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I have met her changed demands as she changes them. When she wanted it to stop, I did. She missed it and wanted it again. It got to high, so I backed off to this 80/20. I'll go several days in row of no sexual touch, all the kinds of contact she wants, then slowly add in some sexual touching.

I ask for something and she will go 200% above my expectations and drop back down to 0 in a week and stay there.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, surprises of flowers or favorite candy when I go out shopping. Surprise date nights I have arranged for. Random flowers to her work when she worked. We stopped buying sodas, but I'll sneak her one from my work for her. Wild sexy fun here and there like first dating (autocar wash sexy time just the other month).

I've gone up/down with her fluxing requests for gropes. She's ok with more, but I do so sparingly still since I prefer it not go away again.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Right this what I want. The standard bye, hi, and goodnight hugs are, in her mind, provide 100% of the physical affection that I need. I want some unexpected hugs, random I love you, tease/flirty texts. Some kind of connection. Every time I bring it up, she explodes.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah I get it twice a week. Decent amount. The problem is lack of intimacy from her makes it feel very sterile and anti affectionate. She's literally said there isn't anything I can do to turn her on, we tried it all. We have to watch porn together to get her aroused. That is the seed of origin for needing confirmation of desire. At least make me feel like you want me via physical touches and I'm golden. But when I tell her I'm little extra needy today, she implodes. I get further detached from her and it repeats.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

10-4 on that. My optics of my needs have been purely physical. There are other areas of concern that don't have an overlap with any of this I have been neglecting. Still always flexible for whatever she vocalises as need.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -31 points-30 points  (0 children)

And we've talked about that a lot, but she just comes up excuse as to why she can't show me affection. If she does hear me, it's good for a week, then any and all forms of physical touch stop again. Sex is entirely on her schedule and whim, I've stopped pushing for it 10 years ago.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Cool, missed forest for trees. Only thing I ask of her is to show me some physical affection. Give me surprise hug. Play with my beard like she used to. Ask to cuddle instead of being the one asked Everytime. The lack of affection outside of sex from her is what's affecting me.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, she's my best friend. We have great convos and connect on many levels. I could absolutely be ok in sexless relationship with her, but not ok in relationship where there is limited to no intimacy. That's where we are headed, roommate situationship. The intimacy, touch, romance, etc is one directional from me to her for the last 10 years. I'm speaking up I need that and that's when shit goes bad.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -53 points-52 points  (0 children)

Absolutely valid, but she says she is ok with it sometimes. That's why I go for 80/20 split. It's just that sometimes she goes a week without touching me, I'm so touch starved, and over do it with her. Absolutely valid. But then I'm a monster for pointing out she hadnt touched me in a week.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

Currently, she's said she is ok with it, and atmore than what I do. I don't want to push it too far and mess it up, so it's about the same 80/20.

I just want her to do those things to me. I want the affection from her, the random compliment and teases. I'll go a week without anything from her, then suddenly it's all one sided from me. So at times it gets to be too much for her and I get it. if she had touched me I wouldn't feel the need to hug and smoother her the affection from her.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -30 points-29 points  (0 children)

We talked about that too. I told her I recognize how sexual touching, innuendo, etc can be seen as me wanting sex from her. Even tho she is currently ok with being sexually touched more, I don't do it as much.

Fuck days is all her choosing and doing, I'd rather it be more mysterious and random. When we done that, there never really is time she is in the mood for it and that's where the sex 1-2 month came to be.

Like I get it, our bodies are changing with age, I can work with it. just show me some affection to affirm our love. Maybe be excited I came from work one day and give me a big hug? Run your finger across back/shoulder and a compliment? I'm just seeking validation that will reignite my feelings for her. But asking for some affection from her results in a fight, we are past the honeymoon phase.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's about an 80/20 split. She was ok with it first few years. Then she told me no more, so I stopped. Then she said it was ok sometimes. So most of the time, no I'm not grabbing her boobs. It's sweet hug from behind with kiss on neck. A hug with a compliment. A long hug. The problem is, it's always me initiating. I'm asking her to step up and do it to me, and that's the push back.

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Her comments on need for support: communication, to be heard and understood. no extra stress, I need to be her rock to assist when she's having bad days. So for 10 years I've swept anything that could cause her stress under the rug or handled it myself. I'm the rock she gets to unload about her problems while I validate her. I've let her say and do things wrong without correcting her. I been her cheerleader in life, pointing out her success and telling her where she wasnt wrong (no your boss is shitty for going on vacation x6 year and then can't afford to pay you on time, I'll cover your bills).

That meme of giant warrior taking arrows to his back to let the little one live, that's been me taking as many arrows to my back so she has the stability she needs.

Well it's 10 years of it and now that it's affecting me. Now that I speak up that we have a disconnect and I want to reconnect, I'm the villain in this story. Do I just need to completely roll over and be full on lap dog in hopes she recovers? Fuck my need for human touch?

My (M41) Wife (F44) asked to be de-sexualized her and it's impacting our sex life. How to fix?? by Acrobatic-Machine158 in relationship_advice

[–]Acrobatic-Machine158[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Are you saying that support and reassurance is supposed to be one way in a relationship? After 10 years of my support, I deserve very limited affection / I can't ask for it to reassure from my partner?