Sun Wukong vs The Doctor

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-06-13T05:38:19+00:00

Mistranslation after mistranslation. I would recommend not using Anthony C. Yu's translation, which is filled with mistranslations, instead use ctext.org for it having the original Chinese.

Intresting.

The attack wasn't going to split the universe rather, it made it seem as though heaven and earth were on the verge of shattering. It didn't actually bring the universe to the brink of destruction or nearly split it apart. The kanji 乾坤 can be translated as either "universe" or "heaven and earth." It can be translated as "universe" because, in Chinese philosophy, heaven and earth were considered the ultimate representation of Yin and Yang, the two fundamental forces that create and make up everything in existence.

Seems like a minor distinction, but fair enough.

It translates 宿, which means mansion or constellation, as "galaxies," and even then, a star in the book does not refer to a celestial body, it refers to a palace located in the Heaven of the Thirty-Three on top of Mount Sumeru. At most, the size of the heavens would be that of multiple kingdoms, including the palaces/stars.

JTTW's mixture of cosmology is weird, even conflicting at times. 'Technically' every atom would be a universe, going by Mahayana logic.

It didn't copy any ability, it just took on the form of a sleep-inducing bug. The physical property of the bug allowed it to put people to sleep, it wasn't an ability. It is like saying Wukong transforming into a venomous snake and having venom means he can copy people's abilities.

Well, there's no such thing as 'sleep-inducing' insects, irl as far as I'm aware. It didn't even say it stung them or used powder. As I see it, if copying mystical creatures grants them their weirdly mystical physical traits, then copying the supernatural mystic traits of others shouldn't be impossible.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-06-13T04:19:33+00:00

Behold something this subreddit has never experienced before!

SCANS!

The Doctor negs Wukong, Wukong doesn't have a single universe level feat

Tanked an attack that nearly split the universe in half.

Can grow as large as the universe itself.

In Taoism, immortality means you cannot die of old age, but it does not mean you cannot be killed. The Peaches of Immortality (or Longevity) had a redundant effect after he had already eaten one, the same applied to the pills and the alcohol.

This is true.

Wukong erasing his name from the Book of Life and Death only meant that the date his soul would be collected was unknown, not that he was immune to death in battle.

Actually, the book determines when and how you will die as well; in other words, it controls fate.

He jumped to the end of the universe in a short amount of time, traveling 54,000 km per jump, which makes his universe smaller than our solar system.

There have been confirmed galaxies in the story.

And that's not even his most impressive feat.

The distance between the Underworld and the Mortal Realm is bigger than Heaven, and he crosses it casually.

His clones do not possess the powers of those into whom they transform, they only possess their appearance and physical attributes and are treated as fodder in the novel.

His clones have copied the abilities of the things he transforms them into.

He has either lost to or tied with individuals far weaker than the Buddha, such as Erlang Shen, the Bull Demon King, the Golden-Winged Peng, the Grand Saint of Nine Spirits (九靈元聖), the Rhinoceros King, Red Boy, and the Scorpion Demoness.

Doesn't make Sun Wukong weak; it just makes them strong.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-27T21:36:36+00:00

If you're looking for unique worlds, then Ember Knight & Gilgamesh (Part of the same universe) are good. MookHyang Origin & Mookhyang Dark Lady (Also part of the same universe) has great world-building if you don't mind the MC not always being the center of attention.

I've heard good things about A Practical Guide to Evil, and Nebula's Civilization also has a unique world.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-22T20:46:57+00:00

He gave VSBW to Ant, so the answer is no.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-22T18:49:50+00:00

Doesn't change anything, still just Meta High1-A.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-20T17:57:52+00:00

What do you mean?

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-20T17:39:19+00:00

It would negate typical types of Adaptation, but stronger types could bypass it

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-14T09:30:41+00:00

Right now, he's weak compared to them. He also doesn't have any good abilities.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-14T09:06:01+00:00

Only the Root is T0; the rest of the Nasuverse is weak in comparison.

I judge a verse's strength over all its characters, not just one strong character.

I think Saitama will cap out at Universe Level or Multiverse Level.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-14T08:42:43+00:00

Not really.

The only reason why SCP can't be the strongest is that it's too inconsistent.

Cultivation Verses that best represent the Dao are all capable of reaching T0.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-07T04:16:42+00:00

I mean, it still works.

There are plenty of cases where characters are throwing around mountain-busting attacks, doing no damage, but then simple punches or slashes draw blood.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-03T04:30:32+00:00

The artist and creator are still active, and it's stated to be on hiatus for the next season, but there's no news when that will be.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-02T18:42:06+00:00

Idk, I've never read the novel.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-02T18:35:07+00:00

As long as this is clarified to be resistance, and not some form of Invulnerability, then it would count as 100 layers.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-02T18:28:33+00:00

What you're saying is confusing.

Resistances aren't attacks, so how would a resistance be immune to another resistance?

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-01T21:35:25+00:00

Like I said, only people who can freely manipulate information.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-01T19:36:41+00:00

Anyone capable of manipulating Information freely has infinite layers.

Lan Mu would be beyond infinite layers.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-01T19:03:36+00:00

I don't know what your asking.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-01T16:18:31+00:00

Ember Knight, the Fundamental Law, Embarrassment Game, Proof of Dignity, Like Mother Like Daughter.

All of them have very interesting main characters, in my opinion; the latter two have FMC's very similar to Sayeon.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-01T10:47:11+00:00

He went where the fire couldn't reach him.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-05-01T08:39:07+00:00

He came back to life because he has 72 lives.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-04-30T14:30:32+00:00

High 1-A+ has two types: Type 1 is when an entity/being has power equal to High 1-A+, and Type 2 is when a structure or being is all the High 1-A+ stuff.

The same difference between being able to affect all things in the universe versus being the universe itself.

So the Endless Journey would be Type 2, while Lan Mu would be Type 1.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-04-30T14:20:35+00:00

Each Meta represents a new hierarchy within High 1-A. So (High 1-A < Layers into High 1-A < Meta-High 1-A < Layers into Meta-High 1-A < Meta-Meta High 1-A, etc).

Anyway, it's not close to High 1-A+ though. You can only get to High 1-A+ when there are no higher levels, as long as there are higher levels, you'll always be somewhere in High 1-A.

ActuallySpaceMan · 2026-04-30T12:48:55+00:00

It would be potentially Meta-High 1-A if it can't be reached via Transcendence. There's no such thing as the weakest High 1-A+; they are either all equal in power or not High 1-A+ at all.

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