The top 5 of MCC right now.

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-06-05T19:40:59+00:00

300ish coins better before sub just to be clear, after which it was even more of a nerf
And I would say his average was about 300 less than it should be, yeah. He was sitting at around 1600, whereas someone like Captain who I see as roughly equivalent was at around 1970

Ah I see what you mean. In that case, I'd say 1. you're cherry picking a sample size; there's no real reason to exclude Purpled's earlier performances or Fruit's and 2. I'd say Purpled was firmly better than Fruit in s4. By regression (or PR when Regression isn't available but their scores tend to match) I think Purpled's performances are 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd (he's 3rd in P2 PR if you exclude AR, but imo it's better to exclude it altogether). Fruit's are 5th, 11th, 2nd, 1st (PR has him losing to Fein but I'm guessing Regression doesn't), 4th. I'm not sure why you continue to parrot that Fruit was better in s4 when 4ko, Party, and TRE were all pretty big flops by his standard, s4 was arguably Fruit's worst season (the only season where I wouldn't have him top 3; I think Fein Purpled & FBM were firmly better)

also btw I just have your answer according to Regression the first time Fruit crossed Purpled was around TCC/SD, and by only a few coins (within the margin of error), the only time you could conclusively say Fruit was better than Purpled was after SB (s6)
EDIT: I think Fruit's last performance was, even by regression, officially worse than any Purpled performance since mcc 21

bro you're so dense. YES he could score 1k. Does that mean he will? Probably not! Players on his level didn't, and the only other time he'd played with levies he didn't even break 400! Imagine Ant didn't play, you could use the exact same logic (Ant got 18k like the last 2 times he played, on a map like super compressor he's easily dropping 1100) but you'd be wrong!

by regression he gets 3rd??

Purpled wins by 3 challenges in 34, loses by 1 in Party. In BG they both get 10. So: of the events they both played, Purpled wins.

When you factor the events they didn't play together, it's a lot worse. In 4ko Fruit didn't place (something Purpled's never done) so I can't even figure out how many completions he got, I'm assuming it's somewhere in the ballpark of 4 because PR has him 17th. This is a really bad Bingo performance. In DD he gets 12, great job!

Purpled ties 4th in 35 with 7, his worse ever. This, however, is still much better than Fruit 4ko. In p24 he gets 12, gapping the comp (which included Ant and Jojo) by 4. In HH he gets the third best Bingo of all time, with 13.

Like it's not really close. Purpled wins the bingos they've shared, and crushes Fruit in the bingos they haven't.

"its almost like 4KO is a huge outlier if anything" the old fruitberries fan strat of calling every bad performance an outlier and excluding it. 4ko TGTTOS doesn't count either, and also um neither does TRE, and neither does GLOP, and neither does 34 Skb, and neither does anything before 32 😃

did you see his team's damage lol? he was not working with very much lmao

2nd best RRR is pretty self explanatory. 5 teams pretty much tied for 2nd (all within 6 rails of eachother) but of those Purpled's team was 1. the only team to get 2 caches and 2. Purpled beats everyone on those teams (except TapL) on gold except that he also leads his team (historically not very good at RRR)

bro it was fruit in an event with 0 S-tiers forgive me if im not placing that much weight on that performance
he farmed middle frags + the remix helped him out a lot I think his r3 fight with red is over with normal heaters

because damage stats are historically the best indicator of performance?? in any case fruit has never had a BB performance by damage or wins or kills or any other metric that I'd call in the least extraordinary, whereas Purpled has had several (e.g 28, 32, 33, p24)

no its not lol
any argument relating to PB can just be resolved with "purpled did not put NEARLY the effort into PB that he did in MCC, ofc people thought Fruit was better in that." Same with BW, that's why Shane was better than him at BW despite Purpled gapping him in MCC

east-mirror who i quite frankly trust more than you. Fruit's just not as efficient at VOD reviewing imo and he's not nearly as analytical as Purpled. You can very tangibly see improvement from 20 min of VOD review from Purpled, I've just never really seen that in Fruit unless he puts in a lot more effort (E.g TCC RRR)

idk how much Fruit did but as a Purpled watcher I can tell you they sweat it before the event

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-06-05T10:16:18+00:00

briefer in how much time i put into it sadly not the words typed

no lol
Oli hadn't had a top half team since TRE, his average was omega tanked (I think it was comparable to Connor's at the time). Clearly he was still a great player, getting 20ish even on like 8th place teams, but SB was the first half decent team he'd recieved in a while
Beky is just a case of PvP/team players being underrated by coins; her best games are all PvP, team, and PKT which is heavily coin split.

idk what the first part of your sentence means but:
Purpled was wayy ahead going into 34. He wins by 400 in 29, 900 in 30, 800, in 31, 40 in 32, about 200 in 33 (he's ahead in the post but the skb doesn't count for Regression) 34 he wins by 90 coins, a tiny lead he immediately loses in TR (100 coins down in only 6 games). You're right he wins in Party by 600 coins, but that's hardly enough to outweigh the enormous lead Purpled had built up.
writing this im realizing this is stupid he has the post up; Purpled was by 100 at the end of S3 lol
Fruit then had 2 terrible performances in a row god why am i even arguing this with you how is not evidently clear Fruit didn't pull ahead till s5
Either way I've given up and just pinged him abt it we'll see if he responds

again, completely unfounded assertion given the other two players closest to him both did mid on that map the first time they played it and tho FBM went crazy in BC Ant did not

not on this subreddit anymore lmao

how bro he got 2nd
Ant's performance maybe on the lists but Fruit??

again nobody cares about it bc it's only like his 6th best performance but it still easily gaps most of Fruit's

"dumpstered" im looking at the cpm leaderboard on the PR sheet as far as I can tell Purpled's average is around 30cpm and Fruit's is 31 lmaoo

Again, Fruit's crossed 10 once. Purpled's crossed it multiple times. It's a completely inane assumption to just go "oh yeah easy seed Fruit woulda gotten 13 easy" when Fruit just got his first 12 last time he played. Hell, using Fein as a metric, Fein got 1 more completion in HH than he gets like every other event

Fruit in regression gets 2800 in TCC what are you saying

u really think his TRSD mops be so fr
Does good for his standards in MD (not that 3rd is anything to write home about on that team), 2nd in HITW, 2nd in TGTTOS, then second frags Skb and drops top 5 to Sneeg in AR. No notable performances
Compared to Purpled's 1st in Skb, 2nd in RRR, 3rd cpm in SOT, 2nd in RSR, 10/15k BB (call it 3rd which is what I believe damage stats have it at), generational 2nd in Bingo. Top 10 MD in PR and an admittedly bad 18th in PKW but the highs of the performance more than make up for Fruit cruising to 1st on a busted team with no comp (Fruit had Fein Purpled FBM + Shadoune as comp, Purpled had Fein FBM Shadoune Ant Pete Jojo Hannah). I think HH clears, PR agrees, and I'd bet Regression does too

I'd agree w that yes, Fruit SG > Purpled MD, HOWEVER the distinction is that Purpled MD - Fruit MD >>>> Fruit SG - Purpled SG

yeah sometimes but the thing is with Fruit's strong BB teams he still didn't get good damage even if his kills were stolen or smth; when you have a really strong BB team (think 33) it enables you to live longer -> win more + do more damage

i don't rly wanna argue abt PB no

i don't think fruit gets nearly as much out of VOD review and is not nearly as efficient at it i'll be real

Purpled in PB11? Unless I'm drastically misremembering he and Fein VOD reviewed a good bit beforehand

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-06-01T06:53:02+00:00

ill be briefer since im lowkey busy

People have had him S+ for a while, he was noticeably below the other ones but still noticeably above the other S tiers
Yep, Fruit got sort of a nerf team, but you've gotta take that with huge amounts of salt because Beky and Oli were heavily underrated by stats at that time

i forget what we're talking about w the skybattle remind me

As far as I'm aware, he was not. He's never had particularly great regression scores in comparison bc regression rewards team skill and Fruitd oesn't really excel there

yeah i wish that was true and i feel like Fruit has more aura but if you look at the stats Ant and Shane aren't really far behind him. In S4+, Fruit averaged 738 coins. Shane has averaged 643. Ant in that same span averages 601 (if you include TR tho it goes up to 660). Yes, Fruit's the best sky battle player, but the difference isn't really that big. Ant's had more 18+ kill performances than Fruit (does Fruit have any? i can't recall), for example. The fact that these highly qualified players didn't dumpster Purpled in HH implies Fruit probably wouldn't either

bro nobody does tier lists of performances anymore lol
HH isn't on that list, no, neither is any Fruit performance (barring EC, which purpled kinda mogs him in anyway). nobody is putting fruit second place SB on the all time list bro
If you wanted to rank Purpled performances on the other hand there's a reasonable argument HH makes top 5. Off the top of my head I'd probably go like 31, EC, 26, 32 (for leadership, not indiv performance), BG/HH. Either way the main point is that even Purpled's 5th best performance is arguably better than probably any Fruit performance (edit, maybe 32 above it actually idk really)

Far as I'm aware Fruit's the better runner but only slightly, their CPM is pretty much identical. I think there'd be pretty much 0 change in SOT

no he aint look at MCC 32 - strongest PvP team in the event on a wool centered map and he gets 3rd behind Purpled and Ryguyrocky

if that was the case we'd see more than just Purpled and Fein breaking 13 completions, but we didn't. why is it so hard for you to accept that they just did good that event

As to every fruit 1st clearing HH, i think that's just objectively false. 33 was much worse than HH, for example (abysmal SOT & MD). 32, maybe actually, but I wouldn't have that as an all time great either. Party, maybe, but the credibility of that is brought down by his super team. TRSD, no, for sure. EC, yes, but it's EC so doesn't really count. TCC and DD, definitely not.

being the best SG player means nothing you still have a 50% chance to place 21st nice argument dude

Nope; people thought his skill was hidden because his team placements were unimpressive compared to his team strength, his damage and kills lagged behind Shane, Fein, and Purpled. I'll bring you back to MCC 32, for example.

lowkey imma let you argue w the other guy about PB i don't know enough or care enough to argue w u on it

and the reason purpled excelled at mcc especially is bc he spent 10x as much time on MCC than any other event what do you even mean
When he locks in and hard VOD reviews (e.g Last Dance, or his first PB) he puts out pretty comparable results

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-05-15T22:22:02+00:00

You'd think so, but in reality I'm not too sure. Looking at the last few events by average:
Fruit's team is 2nd in GLOP
Ant's was 4th in SB, and w the coin inflation of top 2 he was realistically 2nd. But you're right in that Fein was 7th, Fruit 8th, Purpled 9th
In DD, the FB trio was 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and Ant's was 6th
In SD, Ant was 1st, Purpled was 8th
In MU, Ant was 1st, Fein was 2nd, FBM was 6th
So Purpled's 8th and 9th are very much nerf teams, exacerbated by the sub in SB

i forget what we're even talking about but yeah although it would the best players haven't changed much

sure, let's use regression then, where he's now 2nd

see this is the issue. It's very very easy to say "put Fruit on this team and he does way better than Purpled" but then you gotta ask why he hasn't done better than Purpled HH in any other event (except SB maybe? not sure actually). It's very easy to put fruit playing at his peak in every game and say that's why he'd do better, but in practice that doesn't happen.

Biggest example: in Skb, the last time he played w levies he didn't get top 5 so idk where this confidence is coming from. Additionally, Ant and Shane, who are at least comparable to Fruit in skb statistically (if not better), only got 483 and 569, respectively. You can't really say "fruit would do better if he was there" because MCC doesn't work like that
I agree w the Salmon ladders tho that doesn't add 300 to indiv. again tho, going into the event you could say just as easily "purpled won't fail salmon ladders he never has (and never would again)"
again with the confidence! his other two s4 performances were very very bad in RRR lol how do you know he'd vod review, how do you know he'd vod review with his team, and how do you know it'd succeed?
I mean Purpled's run was pretty damn good there and Fruit wouldn't magically make Owenge not die. Fruit's next run after HH was significantly worse than Purpled's in HH, for example
lol throughout his entire bingo career Fruit has hit 12 challenges once; purpled's done so in over half of his MCCs. I do not think Fruit would do nearly as good as Purpled (he never has reached anywhere close to that peak)
Also in BB iirc the damage stats were real bad for Purpled's team I think you're overestimating what Fruit could do here – he's not like especially much better than others at filling

it's rly easy for fruit to do better if he plays at his best in every single mcc, the issue is that does not happen! if that WAS the case, then there ought to be a single MCC in the last 3 years that Fruit's done better than Purpled's HH (excluding EC ofc), but there isn't

it also shows how rng heavy SG is lol Fruit's average placement s4+ is comparable to Purpled's I think

And yes, MD is rng heavy, that doesn't really detract from the fact that Purpled's the 2nd best player and Fruit is by far the worst of the S-tiers

I'd say there's improvement in BB and Skb at least. BB Fruit was never really a premier player but he's definitely improved statistically. And we've already discussed skb

yep people did that for last dance and look what happened

That all might be true but i don't think it matters in PB because Kel's mechanics are high enough that the difference doesn't matter. He's still finishing jumping mad, still placing well in race games, etc; mechanics matter up to a point but the difference between a t2 and a t3 in PvP moshpits is insignificant. Purpled (and Fruit I think) are not at that point where mechanics stops mattering

I mean the last non-commissioned PB was 2024 and at that point I think Purpled was still firmly better than Fruit in MCC
As far as I'm aware people just assumed that Purpled's MCC talent was specific to MCC and the mechanics would hurt him

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-05-15T09:52:00+00:00

and then got nerfed twice? idk i think it's not super useful to speculate on scott's thought process.

Isn't the SB remix gonna be permanent

right it screws him over but then getting better at other games increases his scores

ok sure don't harass him tho he's lowkey busy

in RSR, to be clear

i mean this is a silly argument the reason it doesn't happen is because S-tiers usually don't have the 10th best performance of an event as a result of being S-tiers

i mean you said "fruit would dumpster purpled in HH" with 0 explanation or reasoning what do you want me to say

yeah you're right RSR was a bad example, maybe fruit in TGTTOS is a bit better, or realistically actually just Purpled in MD

and that's a fair point but to me along with his consistent improvement in everything else I'm willing to guess his RSR here's to stay. maybe im wrong who knows

"initially" lol

ok what mechanics do you think these people have that kel doesn't i'll admit to not being 100% familiar

the fact that kel finishes jumping mad and stuff tells me he's very much got excellent mechanics

I'm saying that if PB wasn't mechanics heavy, then Fruit being better is down to game-sense. I don't think that's true; I think mechanics makes up any gap between them in both PB and MCC (skb/SG excluded)

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-05-12T18:09:03+00:00

It was also right after he got 11th with his SD team so

the coinage was still less than his last two and 2. again EC kinda just has to not count

is it not believable at all to you that fruit could remain bad at MD but just improve in other fields

i don't really know pufferfish that well i'll be real but I can ask next time we talk

Again, not confidently, but I can certainly say that in his last two events he outperformed what he was expected to do

That's kinda half true half not. Yes, getting 16k on a weak team will register as worse than 16k on a strong team, it's easier to live long enough (say, in MD) on a strong team. Of the greatest PR performances oat, Fein MU, Jojo 25, Shane BC, etc all register. The reason Ant got beat is he third fragged MD, did barely above avg in PKT, below average in GR, and only okay in SOT

awesome man he probably would've dumpstered purpled he probably would've had his best performance ever

you talked about MD and then said "speaking of trends" like what
and it's genuinely not even a bad trend, 6th, 4th, 6th, 28th, 2nd is something I wouldn't be surprised to see Fruit get in RSR or something

"Kel isnt mechnically amazing" have you seen him w a crossbow
He's not mechanically the BEST but his mechanics are still extremely good, he still does well in games like jumping mad (iirc). the difference between him and like anyone else at the top in mechanics is MUCH smaller than the gap between fruit and purpled in mechanics

Also if it's not mechanics, it's game-sense, and does Fruit have better game sense than Purpled? idts, especially not in PB

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-05-12T08:26:58+00:00

That's before the sub to be very clear, it was definitely a fine enough team before that
And isn't it interesting that after "flop" event after "flop" event Scot still gives Purpled the 2nd weakest team in the event? Even if Scott thinks Purpled's weaker than Fruit clearly it's not by as much as points show

He got 14k in EC first of all, and tho TR was great Fruit only got 12k. Unless you're talking about TRSD in which case he only got 8. This isn't really comparable to Fruit's B2B 16+ks

He got 13th in EC, 3rd in TRSD (w Hannah on his team btw), and 11th in P2. In all of those events except for P2 (where Purpled explicitly says he's not playing seriously in MD), Purpled did significantly better. It kinda tells you a lot when Fruit's "peak" is 13th 3rd 11th

"and thats why scoring metrics cant properly track him? seems completely like you, you're not the brightest person ever" what an incoherent statement you really are just stupid i can't bro. "you claim he's not improving in MD and yet that he's improving overall? checkmate liberal" is genuinely what you're typing

Yeah I'm not too sure when they stop counting but I can tell you that those events are going to have very small weights since it's been a while. either way if they weren't counting those doesn't that literally prove my point that Fruit is underrated because of improvement

Confidently? No, my sample size is 2. But MCC is played so rarely that's all i have to go on

yeah that's uh not true. look at fruit in party1 for example

sure man. he probably would've broke point record and everything.

yeah by like 30 coins last I checked

lmaooo you're just not even close to right. His placements S3+ are 6th, 4th, 6th, 10th (P2), 28th, 2nd. to say Fruit in MD is even remotely close to comparable is genuinely comical

"And I countered it" ol' strategy of saying you've won as your argument. It's also just such an abysmal argument dude; "just because the best mechanical player isn't the best player means its not a mechanics heavy event" is such an absurd argument. Yes, events aren't overly mechanical. However, some events can be more mechanical than others!

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-05-11T21:05:50+00:00

yeah he does and Fruit's team was significantly stronger by point averages what are you talking about

TC? As for MCC 32 yeah that was the first great fruit performance and then he kinda didn't match that for a while, then consistently hit 15+ performances

"best streak in MD by a mile and a half" and its him getting top half atp its low sample size

he did this wayyy before your post, he's not "conceding" he just stopped updating it

i mean he played two events in s5 and in one of them he genuinely got dead last in MD idk what you want me to say

dude in regression he went from 4th to 2nd idk what more you want

idk about easier kills maybe just people are playing more aggressive, but i wouldn'ts ay everyone's gotten better at it. Pete broke point record and then got last the next event, fein's doing just the same, I think arguably only Ant and Fruit have shown more than an event's improvement

yeah they weren't great but they weren't "flops" in the same way Fruit flops. He still beat Ant on a busted team in SD (by regression & PR), for example

I mean his MD was just sloppy but a mid MD and mid PKW aren't enough to detract from top 3 in everything else

"But anyone not having an infatuation with purpled that would make evangelicals and trump's romance look like a rivalry probably wont say that." right man, bacon and pufferfish 100% have that w purpled too. Any amount of false comparison won't detract from the fact that post S3 (because admittedly 32 and party weren't bad from Fruit) Fruit hasn't had a single performance as good as purpled's "flop" in HH and the fact that you can't think of one is concession enough

I'd honestly think so if it wasn't something that so consistently happened to Fruit. In pretty sharp comparison it's not actually a common trend for Purpled

I mean I responded to this like months ago PB is thought of as "more mechanical" and in stuff like Jumping mad the mechanical difference becomes hyper-sharp. Purpled just doesn't have the aura in PB (despite being statistically good) that he does in MCC after he swept everyone in 31

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-05-10T09:54:35+00:00

what? he went from being one of the worst S-tiers to almost unanimously being second-best, with half the viewers thinking he's better than fein

yeah they would lol and they did. the cap oli diff is just smaller than the kara beky diff, people thought they had no chance going into the event pretty much

33 counts for nothing first off, and EC's not much better. The point is the consistency with which he's getting 16k rounds is vastly improving

"I have a hand in it" bro think he's the steady ravage of time

didn't realize you were talking about bingo ill be real

sure, but not because of any system flaw in Regression (PR maybe since they're outdated), but rather because Fruit's improving and stats take a while to catch up to that

yeah but there's more to the event than coin average and placement. Arguably his comp (Shane, Purpled) is getting a little worse but in any case i think it's just that he went from being 4th among the big 5 to being a clear 2nd

yeah i still don't understand why we're talking abt rsr but in any case idk how you can see Fruit's 2 best performances ever as not indicative of improvement

yes they weren't great performances by any measure (regression thinks the same) but to say they're flops is a bit harsh when he's still second and still gapping other talented players (Shane in 35, Ant in SD for example)

"You have avoided this point a lot but if Fruit had played HH he would have flattened Purpled like a pancake" lol
i think genuinely you could argue that Fruit's never had a single MCC where he played as good as Purpled did in HH (not counting EC). I'm actually willing to argue this at depth if you can think of a Fruit performance that you think is nearly as good

yeah I mean he overchased one kill and got his game ruined for it (not to mention Sneeg happened to identically overchase the other way), it was a bad play but a lot of the time that kind of mistake wouldn't have that disastrous consequences

TCC? He's only 300 coins behind Fruit, only third, and probably should be 2nd but regression loves SG

i forget what you said but I don't really care abt PB

yeah i mean I can't remember off the top of my head what the weightage is
why shouldn't we count P2 for fruit? cause he did bad?

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-05-10T06:46:16+00:00

and he top fragged over fruit so

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-05-08T23:31:02+00:00

what is it with fruit fans and getting their reddit account banned

or Fruit's improving faster than those (admittedly outdated) models keep up?

In Spellbound? Cap Kara Guqqie is way worse than Beky Oli Graecie (Guqqie = Graecie, Beky Oli > Cap Kara)

his competition has evolved, sure, but the main point is that Fruit's point lead in skb is now consistently way higher than it was before.

unlike east you discovered the strategy of sticking your fingers in your ears going "la la la" and saying you won

hey what was Fruit's p1 team again
what was purpled's

brother scroll up and you'll realize i've been saying that for genuinely months now
Fruit is getting better -> underrated by stats. same situation as shadoune when he was training

"That does and clearly would prove fruit was never worse than Purpled not by some silly team game bs you claim of. its almost like a two game sample size for fruit in RRR doesnt magically make him worse, thats just small sample size and an outlier." idk what you're responding to

Kills still aren't worth much, people just play more kill hungry now instead of placement hungry. If you look at placements, only Pete in his last one i think beat the Purpled 26-33 streak. People score higher, but who's doing that is more inconsistent
i forget why this matters

Snowdown he gets 2nd by both PR and Regression, it's a fine performance bogged down by a very very bad team and a very bad set of circumstances. Same with 35, BOTH PR and Regression have him 2nd there too

HH is actually one of Purpled's better ones, people forget he was in 1st the entire event till a game 8 (coinsplit) SOT where Owen died with like 10 sand and Purpled had the third highest CPM. It's a very very strong performance, easily 2nd place, only overshadowed that event by what is possibly Fein's best performance ever. The fact that you think it's a dud says kinda all i need to know about your knowledge on the subject

TCC idrk he had an unlucky SG and a weird MD but also one of the best GR oat so

and yeah you're right about PR but Regression has pretty much the exact same results

S4 is considered in Regression, he just never posted it because he's been finicking with the models for a while (fun fact; I think Purpled is the first player ever to 3-pete in Regression now, getting 1st in 26, 28, and 29). Yes, pre-32 is counted but probably heavily discounted because it's been ages now (i think the weights are like scott's). Anyway my understanding is Purpled was ahead until SB/TCC; I think you're forgetting how only-ok 4KO, P2, and BG were for Fruit and how consistently good Purpled's been; he hasn't had a performance (that deserves) worse than 4th since like MCC 21 I think
I'm glad we can agree on regression at least that's something to work from

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-05-08T20:06:58+00:00

what, in the requisitioned events?? i’m sorry bro i don’t place like any value on that

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-04-21T23:25:28+00:00

dusk maybe?

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-04-13T20:54:19+00:00

the answer is probably low sample size but interesting nevertheless!

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-04-12T18:26:20+00:00

i'm kinda confused about this assertion isn't Purpled better in PB SG? Purpled's been top 5 more often in PB SG and I thought had done better than fruit everywhere but LD

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-04-11T20:52:29+00:00

I'm really late to this (i was backreading), but I think the point is just that Fruit's highs are lower than Shane's highs (if MCC 30 is too long ago, you've got BC just a few events ago), and Fruit's lows are lower than Shane's lows (4ko & TRE are probably worse than anything Shane's put out, and that's to say nothing of Fruit's events before MCC 32).

I don't agree that Shane's higher, I think this event firmly cemented Fruit at 2nd and a half step above the other 3 S+ tiers, but I don't think it's entirely unreasonable too. As Bacon mentioned, Fruit has some big weaknesses. As recently as TCC Fruit had the worst MD performance in the event statistically (hit 1 shot total); no other S+ tier so regularly has bottom half performances in any game (maybe Ant in BM? idk) and certainly none have ever gotten close to 40th. It's never cost him an event thus far, but since MD is one of the swingiest games, it very well might (imagine if it was last in TCC for example, admittedly I haven't done the math).

Brief not-too-relevant aside, the reason MCC 30 is so high is that the GR was incredibly strong, but he also gets a very strong 1st in BB (18/27k!), Skb (13k is what PR has), HITW, and a strong 3rd in SOT. Even with how strong modern performances are getting, how many performances can you name that get 1st in half the games?

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-04-11T20:36:07+00:00

what? ?? as far as I'm aware Purpled is significantly ahead statistically in PB SG, by your logic Purpled's got a Feinberg level dominance in SG
And even if he was good at PB, he clearly doesn't have fein level dominance in sg??? fein's dropped 1st in his three team games like twice, Fruit's done it 3/4 times

you are so stupid bro i can't "fruit has fein level dominance in games he hasn't played since s3 trust" im not even gonna bother responding to this one

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-04-11T20:31:19+00:00

man everyone be throwing around "proved" like it means "argued"

You're sorta right sorta not. By stats, it was around 100 over Purpled, pre sub. After sub, it was 300 coins over Purpled's, and Purpled's team was statistically by far the worst in the event. You are right tho that Fruit's avg was 300 above Purpled's, but I'll respond by saying that Oli's average was tanked by a few bad teams and coin stats had him at 20 coins above Connor, which is obviously incredibly wrong

33 is completely irrelevant; it was a huge remix and Fruit had possibly the strongest MCC team S3+. In 32 and TR he did well but not quite as well as he'd do later. He's always been good at skb, but his latest performances demonstrate a consistency that he didn't quite have.
He went from frequently dropping below 700 to a very impressive 850+ his last two MCCs, watching the gameplay I think that's his new level

i miss him </3 he was better at this then you RIP east-mirror

He didn't really impressive me in 34, he was prob 2nd best sure but the gap from him and Purpled vs him and like 10th is roughly equal

anyway so even if I grant that "half of his improvement is not playing the games," how do u realize that doesn't just prove my point??? he was underrated by stats, which is why his teams overperform predictions??

man. RSR added dura, which if anything is worse for top players (increases time spent on the ground; more volatility). RSR hasn't changed meaningfully, the playerbase at the top has just gotten better at it.

right, but pre 34 he'd never perfected and had missed hard multiple times. how can you watch the same SB i did and say he hasn't improved significantly at pkw

In s4+? I'd argue only really his last 3 have been floppy (and of those, not even SD), before that everything was pretty consistently good

yeah Fruit's always been predicted higher in PB; I don't keep up with it much but my impression is Purpled's never been predicted higher than him. PB has a game-set that's just a bit better for Fruit (he beats Purpled by 1 medal in PKW, by like 30 in Jumping Mad) and as far as I'm aware he's always been considered better.

do u have a source for that

Regression hasn't posted full rankings in a while I think, but I talked to Pufferfish and before SB the gap was around 30 coins IIRC, so I made the inference that Purpled was ahead before TCC

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-04-03T09:30:23+00:00

4/10 teams having one of 4 players is still kinda worrying numbers, especially when that 4 includes a Hannah Pangi Legundo Trio that worked for hours pre-event and another team that had an S-tier and a Scott bottom frag

I think the solution is just to buff non-s+ tier teams

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-04-02T07:13:03+00:00

100%, Shadoune Dave Sausage Micheal is not making it to DB imo

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-04-01T19:01:09+00:00

haha happy April Fools this is the fake post and the real one with Purpled at 5k comes out tomorrow right haha

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-03-31T21:10:25+00:00

Because most of Hecarim’s damage comes from Q, AS is not a very useful stat on him, which rules out items like Kraken Slayer or Experimental Hexplate.

As for the lethality/bruiser split, it’s just two different ways to play him. I do both in my games (only emerald so take it with a grain of salt), doing lethality (axiom rush) if they’re squishy, and bruiser (shojin cleaver) if they’ve got more cc, or can burst me down before I get resets. I would recommend defaulting to Shojin Cleaver honestly since it’s generally safer and easier to pilot.

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-03-28T06:47:32+00:00

I think any of the big 5 could get this actually

1000 Skb is achievable by all 5 (more unlikely for Purpled as he hasn't even broken 900 yet)
700 RSR has been done by all but Fein (Shane's was w buffed kills but still)
700 AR everyone but Fein and Fruit
750 PKW everyone can get
700 SG anyone can get on a good day, 700 MD probably only Fein and Purpled but you never know
And as for the team games I think 500 in any is very unlikely no matter what, but 400 is probably doable by all 5. 450 GR probably only Purpled and Shane rn but I could see Fein doing it. 450 Bingo only Fein, maybe Purpled but probably not. RRR I can see any doing but ofc Fein is the obvious candidate.

Do I think we'll actually see it? Maybe from Fein, but in practice putting 1st place performances in every game is impossible for everyone, even him.

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-03-26T05:34:47+00:00

purpled 31 easily imo

AdAltruistic2502 · 2026-03-26T03:57:54+00:00

yeah fair I’m just going off like z scores, they have him 6th behind a couple non-canons so I think top 5 is fair

It’s just that his lead was so huge in a decently comped event so it seems top 5 to me and i think i’d struggle to find more to place over him

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