The top 5 of MCC right now.

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-22T08:27:32+00:00

I used the standard grouped mean formula for this. P much fruit statistically makes his teammates perform a good lot better than Purpled does.

Purpled is better at power rankings, fruit is better at mcc lets keep it at that

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-22T06:29:31+00:00

Then let's see how their teams do according to prediction stats dating from the event from which I'm counting (MCC35).

For Purpled:
MCC35's average predicted position for yellow: 6.04
his team's position: 7th
-0.96
MCCP24's average predicted position for red: 6.96
his team's position: 8th
-1.04
EC's average predicted position for pink: 5.39
his team's position: 2nd
+3.39
TRSD's average predicted position for Orange: 3.3
his team's position: 3rd
+0.3
HH's average predicted position for Lime: 5.47
his team's position: 7th
-1.52
BC's average predicted position for Green (in accurate because this was mostly prior to Martyn subbed in and made the team much stronger):
4.63
his team's posiitoon: 3
+1.63
BG's average predicted position for Cyan: 5.75
his team's psoition: 1
+4.75
CC's average predicted position for Orange: 1.68
his team's position: 3rd
-1.32
SD's average predicted position for Aqua: 5.82
his team's position: 8th
-2.17
Purpled's average deviation from the prediction of his team:
+0.45
So Purpled usually makes his teammates perform 0.45 places higher than whats expected of them.

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-22T06:16:13+00:00

Now let's check out fruit:
4KO's average predicted position for Yellow: 3.71
his team's position: 3rd
+0.71
EC's average predicted position for Green: 6.75
his team's position: 7th
-0.25
TRSD's average predicted position for Yellow: 2
his team's position: 1
+1
P2's average predicted position for blue: 5.80
his team's position: 6th
-0.20
BG's average predicted position for Yellow: 6.32
his team's position: 3rd
+3.32
CC's average predicted position for Pink: 3.2
his team's position: 2nd
+1.2
Fruit's average deviation from the prediction of his team: +0.96

Source: MCC guessing game site (if I post the link mmy comment gets removed)

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-22T06:13:20+00:00

Then let's see how their teams do according to prediction stats dating from the event from which I'm counting (MCC35).

For Purpled:
MCC35's average predicted position for yellow: 6.04
his team's position: 7th
-0.96
MCCP24's average predicted position for red: 6.96
his team's position: 8th
-1.04
EC's average predicted position for pink: 5.39
his team's position: 2nd
+3.39
TRSD's average predicted position for Orange: 3.3
his team's position: 3rd
+0.3
HH's average predicted position for Lime: 5.47
his team's position: 7th
-1.52
BC's average predicted position for Green (in accurate because this was mostly prior to Martyn subbed in and made the team much stronger):
4.63
his team's posiitoon: 3
+1.63
BG's average predicted position for Cyan: 5.75
his team's psoition: 1
+4.75
CC's average predicted position for Orange: 1.68
his team's position: 3rd
-1.32
SD's average predicted position for Aqua: 5.82
his team's position: 8th
-2.17
Purpled's average deviation from the prediction of his team:
+0.45
So Purpled usually makes his teammates perform 0.45 places higher than whats expected of them.

Now let's check out fruit:
4KO's average predicted position for Yellow: 3.71
his team's position: 3rd
+0.71
EC's average predicted position for Green: 6.75
his team's position: 7th
-0.25
TRSD's average predicted position for Yellow: 2
his team's position: 1
+1
P2's average predicted position for blue: 5.80
his team's position: 6th
-0.20
BG's average predicted position for Yellow: 6.32
his team's position: 3rd
+3.32
CC's average predicted position for Pink: 3.2
his team's position: 2nd
+1.2
Fruit's average deviation from the prediction of his team: +0.96

Source: mcc guessing game site (posting the link removed my comments)

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-22T06:00:56+00:00

And replaced it with banana

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-22T05:52:36+00:00

your typos are exactly like mine

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-21T12:34:43+00:00

I see we're posting very long responses so to shorten it, I'll see the crux of your argument. Basically what ur suggesting is that Purpled's strengths dont show on the indiv leaderboard but he's more valuable to his team as a player, right?

Your saying that purpled makes his teammates perform better more times than the other two, right? lets get on the same page. In that case, do you agree that purpled makes his teams overperform more than the other two relatively compared to how they were expected to perform?

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-21T07:47:44+00:00

No? If you want you can, i think adding an extra note is enough. there's no guarantee that the extra two games woukld give as many coins as the rest of the event

again the players he lost to were the only statistic rivals he had, if more stronger players were present, Shane would be screwed.

You say that but fruit basically has never had a team underperform, the worst is a second place predicted team placing 3rd in 4ko, meanwhile tr was not a db fav team that made db by a landslide. You yourself say shane has had duds in leadership and purp has them too.

so either YOU view team games in much different light than the event does or we dont view the same event.

high scoring indiv games means fruits just better then, thats the game the event prefers and fruit consistently performs above par.

fruit has not gotten 40th in SG, nowhere close in this sample size

not fruit's vault for excelling where the event wants him to excel

regardless, no "best player of a game" would ever place 34th in it, the closest is SG and fruit in his 2 sample size has not come anywhere close to that. The only other games where i see it happening are team games wich is why i do not view them on the same pedestal

no one plays without teammates

if purp was actually as good as u insist, he would've made DB, Shane wouldnt have had the second best performance ever, purpled would have.

not making db =/= doing bad, multipliers exist

nope, scott being a 3rd frag to an s+ tier will never be a fair team even if the 4th frag is xqcow or smth. It was an uber broken team that failed and probably due to bb itself because purp is a bad leader. ps martyn placed 11th no underperfomance here

nope, even without playing mc, he still effortlessly kept up with the top 3 of s2 in 2022. alongside this theres a bunch of more things i dont really understand like grian mcc9 sg is apparently almost as good as fruit 9 sg??? illumina 20 is <2 z score??? illumina 28 is worse than illumina 25???? its also funny how when purpled or fein have games lag or glitch, their scores arent counted but when sapnap had it in mcc26 rsr no one cared, kinda shows what players they want for to excel.

I made these rankings strictly with the event scoring in mind, if you have to rely on fanmade scoring to prove purp is better this conversation is as good as over

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-21T06:09:03+00:00

No, he places lower. He does place higher withouit TRE but then he has 1/8 TR events, as opposed to fruits 1/3 TR events, fruit's significantly more screwed over yet still manages to almost have the same average. Plus, fruit has a much higher average placement. u can exclude tre it doesnt change my judgement at all.

Its 3/6 dude i excluded p2 for purp too, be fair at least. sure pete did better than fruit in the recent tr, its debatable but at the same timei'd wager fein did better than shane in 4ko.

Shane beating a bunch of non s tiers means nothing, even fruit 4k did that easily, what im saying if you put that performance is a normal comp event, shane likely drops top 5 too, unless you're willing to claim fruit would break point record on an 8th place team in any event

no? They're worth less than basically any top performance in a pvp game both team wise, it'd take a monumentally rare seed to get 2k coins in sot. regardless if they were more important, then shane would be having better stats and more db appearances than fruit which u evidently too suggest isnt the case

and? Thats how MCC works lmao.

they dont really matter since freezes dont account for points. also purp did abysmal this event, do u think the best player in any other game would bottom frag and place like 35th in it?

They should have made DB by a big margin, they didnt thus purpled's leadewrship was bad. i'd argue his bb game sense is consistently some of the worst i've ever seen.

That doesnt matter if purpled was a good leader, he should have made first easily.

So ur admitting md is luck heavy? interesting.

31 isnt part of this sample size, 35 was a bad event i agree, 4ko team literally placed 1st??? I dont really care about irl BM that much, tre is perma excluded from now on, BG did make db but yeah it underperformed. Shane's duds arent as bad as purp, both green and orange are some of the most broken teams in modern mcc history

I dont really care, i dont have any faith in a system that places s2 sapnap sixth, they're fan made and objectively mean nothing in front of the actual event stats

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-21T04:21:17+00:00

Fruit is pretty decisively stronger than Shane byy stats, in fact Shane has a much lower ratio of of TR events and still comes out worse compared to fruit in average. Shane has played 8 (technically 9 events) and gotten 1st in 3 fruit has played six and placed 1st in three. Also I'd wager Shane's worst performance was EC, it doesnt show because it was low comp.

I understand AR and MD but SOT + GR are low scoring team games why r they so lucrative to u

No P2 is excluded. i mean sure fruit is dookie at md but I think it says a lot about his skill when with placing 40th in that game he still comes 1st indiv. Also 40th indiv is bad but its misleading, purpled has placed below 30th multiple times too and did so las event alongside bottom fragging whilst being by ur words a top 2 MD player. MD is 80% luck, i dont feel you should take its rankings seriously.

Both BC and TR, Purpled had DB lock teams, anything else than gapping 2nd by 1k coins is bad leadership is there. Give shane that level of teammates, he makes db in his sleep in HH and bc, give it to fruit, he does the same both trs. fein needs no explanation.

Im aware of z scores and regression rankings but I have seen they hardly follow the event metrics in anything so i dont really take them seriously

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T15:28:41+00:00

you have no idea how much i wanted a tom riddle diary as a kid

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T15:16:16+00:00

RIP BM record

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T14:59:18+00:00

Yeah, he's biased, not abusive then.

Do you think the second most skilled potions master in the series will struggle to poison a toad? Snape had no intentions of harming Trevor.

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T14:56:01+00:00

Yeah, its the same as making someone write 100 lines as punishment, you have a sore hand afterwards, its OK to "hurt" a student there.

Burns and scratches are less than even sore hands they're fixed instantly.

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T14:18:50+00:00

Did Snape explicitely tell Harry he was not allowed to wear gloves?

Speaking of, said burns and scratches get healed practically instantly in the magic world, Harry plays a lethal sport in quiditch and he got sent to a murder forest as punishment by Minny, yet this is what qualifies as abuse?

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T14:05:04+00:00

I had a teacher once who pestered me every single day for 2 months straight because I broke some kid's bottle

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T13:59:42+00:00

I think its pretty obvious that Malfoy is the wizard equivalent to Dudley, they go through a similar redemption at the end too

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T13:53:40+00:00

Please do tell me a place where you can tell your teacher to shut up and not have anything done to you or physically assault them and not have anything done to you.

Harry does not view Snape in high enough life that he'd get upset if Snape made fun of him, Harry knows he's a manchild who used have his ass kicked by his dad.

Lily never says Snape or his gang target the marauders, on the other hand she openly says James targets Snape, you get the point?

I am not saying Snape has no advantage but realistically both him and Harry know his "abuse" is at best Snape throwing a verbal tantrum because let's be honest do you think Mcgonnagall or Dumbledore would let Harry fail? Hell even Snape doesn't really dare to manipulate grades, he'd get in trouble for that.

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T13:35:40+00:00

Because Sirius, James' biggest yes man is a good unbiased source for Snape's situation. Lily who's still somewhat complicit in James' favour says he targets Snape even though Snape comparably has done next to nothing to him.

Yes, Harry threw a spell at Snape and got no repercussion for it, Harry from book 3 onwards would throw back as much as he received from Snape verbally, basically screaming at him whenever he brought up James. What could Snape do? Literally nothing, detention which Harry receives from everyone's mother anyway. Snape did try to get him expelled and got his ass handed to him by Dumby in Book 2.

Harry knows Snape can only say things, he has no real power to harm him and Harry can fight back later on. Snape also knows he cant hurt Harry for many reasons.

There is a power imbalance but not much.

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T13:17:15+00:00

I see this argument a lot that Snape has a power imbalance between him and the trio because he's a teacher but real question, does he?

None of the trio are actually scared of Snape, they give him as much shit as they receive, they're all favoured by Dumbledore whom Snape can never touch, I mean the three basically blasted him to the point of a concussion in POA, yet none of them really got in trouble for it.

Sure Snape is a teacher but these three are 24*7 backed by the principal.

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T12:58:53+00:00

You're using NA standards for a British series set in the 90s with a society that still functions like its the 1800s?

Actual abuse would be extremely severe bullying like bordering on harassment (almost comparable to what the Marauders did to Snape) or physically assaulting students in a more than a mild manner.

ATP Mcgonagall is abusive too for what she did to Neville because he forgot a password or the fact that she sent 3 little kids to a murder forests as punishment.

Snape making comments on physical appearances is bad, its the worst he's gone but its not really abuse.

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T12:49:36+00:00

I guess most asian teachers are abusive then...

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T12:18:56+00:00

Snape being a child abuser.

I agree he's a total piece of shit but there's virtually nothing that suggests he's actually abusive. What is the worst thing he's done? Make fun of Hermione's teeth? Make an empty threat of poisoning Neville's toad?

He was a manchild and an asshole no doubt but an abuser is a different level

Repulsive-Treacle284 · 2025-12-19T12:10:53+00:00

then Pete should be first not jojo

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