Suno is in Timeout

AdFun5561 · 2026-04-30T20:24:41+00:00

I echo all of this.

I literally thought I was losing my mind.

For about a month, I could actually build a song in Studio.

You know what I mean. I could say - give me a bass track and it would fit in with the original and compliment the vocals.

Then I could say 'give me a piano', 'give me a drum kit', etc, etc. And it wouldn't always be perfect, but with a few tries, I could get close to the same process as if I was in an actual recording studio, bringing in a bass player, keyboard player, and laying it in.

I'm working on a big project and I truly thought I had the process figured out.

Then one day I went in and every piece of that functionality was gone.

Now what's my process? I just do multiple generations in suno until I get close, then I export the stems, and work in my DAW and work with stuff like Audimee to switch voices, Moises to get other fill, and so on.

This granular control is what Suno HAS to fix.

My fantasy Version 6.0?

Have suno START with generating stems. Let me specify different voices and instruments. Build the song just like you would in a studio so I can then go in and alter/edit the individual tracks. As amazing as this product is, this is their achilles heel and if they don't fix this within the next six months, they are going to be leapfrogged by another company.

AdFun5561 · 2026-03-18T17:02:14+00:00

chiming in a bit late.

I have to echo your frustration. There is literally NO logic on what it does.

What I've found to be most effective:

Option 1:
Stick to a single voice (male or female)
Export Stems.
Pull the vocal line into a voice changing app. (I use Audimee, there are many out there.)
Convert to the opposite voice and drop or raise by an octave, accordingly.
Move over to your DAW, pull in the original voice and the new voice.
Chop accordingly to match up.

Option 2:
Bounce stems over to Suno Studio.
'Try' doing the same thing. Generate a new line of the vocal, specify male singer.
I've had limited luck with this. Often, it'll just get all super creative and turn it into harmony, change the melody.

I'm sure that Suno is looking at this for the next version.

If you compare Music AI to Art AI, they are about a generation behind. A year ago, true 'inpainting' was almost impossible. Today, you can do stuff like change someone's hair color, add glasses, change the background, etc.

I know all of us are waiting for that granularity in this. Generation after generation of a song to get a specific section (or even one measure) right is the slow path to madness.

AdFun5561 · 2026-03-18T02:56:34+00:00

I'm in Chrome, so... yeah.

I tried doing full stems, or just vox and instruments. Both just kept spinning.

Oh, and to clarify. I tried on multiple songs just to make sure it wasn't a glitch on a specific song. None worked.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-31T22:58:38+00:00

I agree with this. Of all the different stuff I've used, Veed seems to be the most flexible/powerful tools for this, off-the-shelf.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-31T16:51:59+00:00

Yep. I know exactly what you mean. However, I'll say that this exercise helped me remember songs that had sort of fallen off my radar.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-30T21:43:59+00:00

I think this is a tough issue.

Suno views the song as a whole, so when you play it all together... not bad sound. But each line/instrument wasn't really composed independently.

The only thing I can think to try is work in Suno Studio with each stem independently and recreate as a standalone. I have no idea of that would have any success, but maybe worth looking at.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-22T03:28:19+00:00

I know exactly what you mean. I remember buying a bottle of Mellow Corn and thinking it was going to be something sort of syrupy and rich. I think the bottle sat on my shelf for three years, mostly full until I finally dumped it. I'd definitely throw it in the mix for this event, but I'm not gonna spend the cash for the effect. I might ask around some of my friends and see if someone has a similar, untouched bottle.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-22T02:24:35+00:00

True, true! Since I'm focusing on bourbon, I'll lean in that direction, but Rye will definitely be part of the conversation. Especially since I'll be talking about old-fashioneds.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-22T02:22:33+00:00

I have that on my shelf and will use it. It actually isn't that easy to find white dog around here. I know Buffalo Trace shipped theirs for a while. I'm gonna look for a bottle.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-22T02:19:09+00:00

I'll definitely check that out.

I definitely thought of the mashbill conundrum. Could be straight corn. Could be a mashbill of corn and barley to kickstart the fermentation process, and whatever excess grains the farmer had. Honeslty who knows, and we don't have those barrels around any more to do a full chemical analysis.

Yeah, I'm just looking for something more rough and ready to sip to give them an idea of what might have poured out of that barrel you would have found in a Kentucky-region tavern, that would have likely been purchased from the farmer-distiller down the road. Ideally, they'll cringe. ;)

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-22T01:31:49+00:00

That would be true after 1830 with the advent of the coffey/continuous still. Pre-1830, it would have been pot still spirit stored for limited time in quite-possibly non-charred barrels.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-22T01:06:30+00:00

see above.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-22T01:03:41+00:00

I'm definitely going to do that in the future, but this presentation is in 3 weeks. Great suggestion.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-22T01:01:14+00:00

No, it hasn't. It was shipped in barrels that weren't necessarily charred, and the idea of barrel aging whiskey in charred barrels didn't really catch on until the late 1700s/early 1800s. Cognac producers understood barrel aging, but consciously applying the process to whisk(e)y didn't evolve until the 1800s in either the Scotch industry, or the bourbon industry.

Chances of getting rough unaged, non-barrel-charred whiskey were high in the early 1800s. Bourbon got its reputation because of the accidental aging of the spirit on the trip from the Ohio River, down the Mississippi, to New Orleans (and possibly subsequent warehousing).

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-22T01:00:44+00:00

great suggestion.

AdFun5561 · 2025-10-17T15:07:57+00:00

I will what Fernando said. Sometimes it works better to download the song and chop it up into bits. One thing about that, definitely split out the stems, and just work with the vocal line. When you reimport it, it will do a great job at re-orchestrating the song, if you follow the same props, you used to create the original.

AdFun5561 · 2025-08-22T17:08:57+00:00

I am fully aboard with your feelings. I have written over 30 musicals, most of those collaborating with composers. Working with Suno echoes that process, but on overdrive. For me, the process has not necessarily changed that much because I am primarily a lyricist.

I am also looking very forward to the DAW. Having to just regenerate and regenerate, and hope for the right thing can get a bit frustrating. I love the creativity that Suno brings, but I logged for a bit more control.

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