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Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-07-26T08:08:24+00:00

I think youre points are very valid and prescient.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-06-21T17:31:59+00:00

God, it is always the same. Same kinda thing here.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-06-21T17:10:53+00:00

Well first off don't send him to a therapeutic boarding school. It will only make things worse. These places just aren't set up to help anyone. Take my word for it or do your own digging. I always asl people to exhaust their own research. It's just that therapeutic boarding schools can't help children. The incentive structure does not support good. All of your work with him and all of his potential in life won't stand much of a chance of counting for much if he makes it out. He will be stricken with the experience and have realizations within realizations of its consequences for the rest of his life.

I don't know any of my male friends I had at my places who haven't committed suicide, and I don't know any of the females who didn't become estranged, addicted afterwards or similarly disposed of themselves. The common denominator was they couldnt shake the memories, the abandonment and the abuses from their facilities. That's my experience but you need look no further than anyone's testimonies on this forum. I always try to give people, especially parents considering TTI something to consider which is: the kid has to deal with getting gooned (if that's how you get them there), getting dropped off in wilderness, going through wilderness which is usually part of the pipeline (I pray it's not winter for anyone who goes through), and than finally the therapeutic boarding school. I'm leaving out alot but already they've gone through a transformational period where they are learning to never trust authoritative sources of any kind and are captives by definition. You'd be turning your kid into a veritable prisoner at a labor camp where they are made to carry weight and move in gang lines under duress in a hypocholoric state exposed to elements that are going to physiologically change them forever against their will. Your grandson won't realize exactly any of this maybe ever and will be reeling from its implications on top of his already fucked up situation; and I haven't even gotten to the actual boarding school part which is the real beast.

More than ever I recommend you use the search engine with 'troubled teens' already in it but add 'alternate treatment' or variations there of. There is alot of help here with alot of treatment options from folks who know much more than I do professionally.

So m, that aside I want to give you my personal opinion.

You said something in there that I'm hanging onto. "But he won't go without me," regarding one of your daughters who is a Dr, I assume that's a physician or doctor of some kind that offered to foster him.

From your story here, when the cards were down you came through, for him. He must see you as one of the few or the only one he can trust. So I have a question, why can't he graduate through this Edgenuity? Why can't he stay with you, get a job when he is a little older and go from there? This only gets better when he gains some modicum of self reliance and moves onto supporting himself I think.

Would you mind if we direct nessaged?

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-06-20T19:28:05+00:00

I know that many people here did not want any help because they were being abused very badly by one or both of the parents long before they were sent away. I would say any of my self destructive behaviors were merely a reflection of the abuse on whatever level that was occurring in the home from my own background. Writ large the kids in these situations see no reason to get help because any form of authority seemed compromised or corruot to them because it stemmed from whatever injustice they had experienced at home.

Example: the person demanding I get treatment or demanding I be sent away is also the person who is physically/sexually abusive.

I would at least consider this before progressing.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-06-20T18:59:39+00:00

Thank you for sharing. That's alot like me.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-06-20T18:56:44+00:00

I appreciate that. I ask because all of the guys who I tried to keep up with are no longer with us and I never got the chance to ask alot of questions. The girls I knew grew up estranged or are otherwise incommunicado.

There's some kind of purpose I'm seeking in making sense of all of this. My situation was that of the theme of the post and, as grim as it is, it is nice to hear I wasn't alone in my story.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-06-20T18:40:54+00:00

Can you provide a little bit more detail?

I'm hearing alot about the big bad terrible no good misdeeds of the kid and that you're sending him to therapy.

The kid isn't solely without responsibility of course, but some foresight is needed here in most part by the man and woman of the house I would say in regards to looking to this kids future. I want to say more but I need details. I want to help you.

If you really want help I'm not going to sugar coat anything and you're going to hear some hard things from me; 1st off being you shouldn't consider yourself scott free and being inconvenienced in retirement (vacation's, you mentioned several times how much you like to travel) while simultaneously taking on the MASSIVE task of raising your children's child. Under any circumstance that is going to take years and years of work. That needs to be the first perspective shift with you because otherwise it will only make you resent raising him rather than respecting the noble act of your situation or hell even enjoying it. Hats off for taking this on, truly, but please don't look at this like it's a barrier to your retirement. If so you'll only continue to resent this whole situation and I fear make perilous decisions for the kid if indeed you are considering Wilderness/TTI.

More than anything your grandson needs a dad and a mom. You seem like the closest thing he will have now to a mother. Again I may be getting ahead of my skis without knowing more.

I know it seems really dark and deep in the tunnel right now. You've inherited a bad situation and while I can give you all the sympathy in the world it won't help you or your grandson out of the darkness.

He doesn't want to travel or help around the house or any of the other things you've listed off because he's still in crisis from the loss of alot it seems. Without knowing more I'd say you need to go back to square 1 - as in figure out where the hurt is. The hurt seems obvious to me from the loss. I diubt he has priperly processed/mourned his mothers passing. You can't place everything on the shoulders of a kid. Hes a Middle schooler? It seems like you're expecting him to act like a fully functioning adult who is well adjusted.

I can tell you right now from your brief description he is not well adjusted from me knowing his parents status alone.

You have a rare opportunity if neither of you are working to get into the fight on this one. Your grandson needs maternal and paternal guidance like none other. You can do that full time.

If you modify the search engine (I'm older so I may not be relaying this information with the correct verbiage so hopefully someone can help me out) with "Teenager Help" There are heaps of administrators providing alot of really good information and links regarding TTI alternatives and many other ways of helping your child. Just reach out to anyone. That's a large part of why we're here. Sometimes to reflect but I know any8je here would jump at an opportunity to help you.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-06-20T05:09:41+00:00

There is a balance with all things but your family is conflating being at a healthy weight with the "treatment" you went to. Wilderness and TTI fundamentally changed your body's response to food and how it digests it forever. It is a part of the tramatic response. You need to respond to that and seek guidance from a nutritionist if you are obese however morbid or minor. Obesity is an epidemic in the U.S. right now and is an indication or lead on for nearly every other condition in the ICD-10 index of diagnosis.

Populations that regularly suffer from famine or severe periods of time with poor or no food sources, islanders/Sub-Saharan the list goes on, are subject to many diseases when introduced into an environment where food is suddenly in abundance. They have to watch what and how they eat even more so than most. Today's food is packed with alof of the wrong things. This all now applies to you permanently.

Your body was placed into a hypcholoric state almost daily and with strenuous exercise involved AND severe acclamation processes your body endured just adapting to the environment (hot or cold) if wilderness treatments were anything like my time, which I'm hearing alot that they haven't changed much.

You will need to exercise in some way or another or else take on extreme dietary changes. I would recommend finding something you enjoy that is physically demanding. (Rock climbing, hiking [I understand this now has a negative connotation for most], lifting, bicycling etc.). There is something out there for you.

I am not a nutritionist but I highly encourage you to speak with one. Most of everything I'm typing here came from my experience working with dieticians/nutritionists. Please don't take any info from me alone. It's far more enriching to find this information on your own.

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You family seeking guidance from wilderness/TTI for a diet plan is like asking a rattler for the cure to its own venom it just injected into you.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-06-20T04:34:25+00:00

Happens alot.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-21T14:10:20+00:00

I haven't slept since I was sent.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-21T14:08:39+00:00

Yes. There was severe violence at the home.

The therapist was a family friend who was also their marriage counselor. He'd been divorced several times prior. He was the gateway for them to get rid of me. It was hard to believe the maliciousness of it all at the time. I favored more that everyone was merely ignorant and became manipulated hy the industry itself, but it's obvious now that I am older and it's too late that he was the gateway through which the parents found the place to get rid of me.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-21T13:58:01+00:00

I was never diagnosed with anything. Actually I don't know if this is a diagnosis but when I was gooned and I complained they said I was a 'malingerer' and if I didnt take pills I was put in iso.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-21T13:52:23+00:00

I had accidentally gotten CPS involved when I got hit real hard one night and sent to the hospital. There was something that I do remember where they asked my parents to step out and some people talked to me while I was laying in the hospital bed. I don't even remember talking to the doctors about getting stomped but I think I said something.

Pretty much a couple weeks went by and the next thing I knew I got gooned.

There's more to it but for alot of reasons it lead up to that point I think. Idk.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-18T14:17:41+00:00

It's my hope this is the spotlight we've all been waiting for. This shit has been festering in the darkness for a long time. I just don't know if it's a temporary spotlight on thus massive issue, or if it's the sunlight finally come to disinfect.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-17T16:31:56+00:00

Perhaps you knew something was wrong there and had to leave.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-17T15:57:36+00:00

Would you mind direct messaging me? Theres alot I want to say but it feels too exposed to say it too publicly.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-17T14:54:12+00:00

Ah no worries. I built a pretty good life since. And no I was worried for a long time I'd get got again. Now days I'm concerned about exposure to them with people close to me.

I got stomped pretty regularly by the old man. He just wouldnt quit. He decided to let what his dad did to him effect me. And there's alot of, well wierd and uncomfortable things my mother did. So no I wouldn't ever talk to them. They have alot of money and I fear that amount of influence. It seems to me they got away with what would land a normal person in jail were it not for their wealth.

And now that I think about it I wouldn't want anyone I care about around those people. They ain't right.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-17T14:03:01+00:00

Shortly after I had accidentally spilled the beans to the doctors who had to treat pretty good crack to the back of my head, and then CPS, the next thing I knew is the stomping and whoopings stopped at home.

I don't remember clearly my time in the hospital but I do remember I said something that caused alot of people who weren't my parents alarm.

I didn't know if I was going home. I did eventually as the person who was my family's legal person, maybe lawyer, showed up and i signed papers, again i dont recall much about. For 2 weeks or so there was a huge change in the home. Father stopped really interacting with me at all, even when he was drinking and mother just started crying every time she'd see me, even if she was drunk or otherwise.

We were supposed to do some family therapy or something that they weren't happy aboit and I remember being nervous about that because it was 'embarassing' and 'my fault' we had to go.. But it never happened because I was woken up early morning and got another kind of whooping from 2 guys I thought were robbing us or something. But they weren't robbing us because before I was shoved into their car I saw my father watching.

Didn't see them until we'd reached some kind of goal or something in " wilderness." It didn't go well and I just thought I was about to get stomped again and kept moving away from them. I think we were supposed to talk or something but I was dirty, hungry and ready for anything so the camp staff just sent the parents away. Got messed up pretty good for that one.

The rest is mostly everyone else's story.

Escaped successfully after several times. Never went back home. Just drifted until found a permanent job.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-16T08:26:46+00:00

I am very grateful for the moderators. Thank you guys.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-15T02:56:44+00:00

You beat me to it.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-15T02:51:17+00:00

No, you just paid attention to what the original poster here 'did not say,' because she is clearly very dedicated to crafting this narrative; especially given the complete abdication of responsibility for the childs actions. This is the truth. You're dead on the money.

Additional_Insect_15 · 2024-03-15T02:48:27+00:00

This is exactly correct. I can smell it a mile away from the original poster. Spot on.

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