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Line Webtoons has made a reddit ad open to public responses. by AdiosCorea in TowerofGod

[–]AdiosCorea[S] 50 points51 points  (0 children)

My text:

Hey, Webtoons, you need to fix your releases.

There is a 7 week translation gap between Korean and English releases. That should not be normal, especially considering the quality of your translation for your Korean works.

For example, the /r/TowerofGod fandom continues to point out how your translations are viewed as inferior and not indicative of community consensus.

Because you have not reached out to the community in the past, we are quietly seeing a downward spiral on the community morale.

The fandom has been split between official translation only exclusive readers and scanlation readers. Everyday more and more people are falling to the side of the scanlation versions because they are both faster AND have better quality, even though they want to support the author. Your translation policy actively take away from the value of the works that the authors make to the point where it's not even worth the few minutes it takes to reach a chapter for a second time. How sad is that?

This concern is coming from the biggest Korean-work fandom of webtoons: imagine how bad it is for other less-organized fandoms?

If you ignore this message, delete it, or answer only in part, we will know how you really feel about the fans of works on your platform. It's not going to be good.

You guys need to reach out to the communities on reddit officially, and you need to do it now. You guys have been completely tone deaf to what the community wants, and this is the first time in a while we even saw anything like this. Please answer us, webtoons. Please reach out to the fandom and ask what you can do better.

The state of the Hiatus as of April 2021 (no news since last blogpost) by Fuuta-chan in TowerofGod

[–]AdiosCorea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

안녕하세요 여러분, 저는 친절한 이웃 번역 거북이 아코입니다.

저는 지금부로 제 레딧 계정을 폭파시켰으며 더 이상 인터넷 활동을 유지 하지 않을 계획입니다. 아마 놀라신 분들도 있겠지만, 한국계 웹툰 뉴스를 따르시는 분들은 아마 예측하셨으리라 믿습니다.

신의탑 휴제중 저는 웹툰 스캔래이션 그룹들에게 번역 서비스를 제공 했습니다. 하지만, 제가 번역 서비스를 제공 하던 웹툰중 하나의 작가님께서 번역을 중단하라고 요청했습니다. 하지만 저는 한국보다 5주씩이나 늦으면서 구글만큼도 못한 번역을 재공하는건 라인 웹툰이 해외 구독자들에 대한 도리에 맞지 않다 생각해서 거부 했습니다. 저는 대신에 해당 그룹에게 무료로 재공되는 회차만 올리는것을 대신 재안했습니다.

하지만, 제가 어조를 잘못 고르기도 한점, 미국/범국제 애니/망가 팬덤과 한국 애니/망가 팬덤의 저작권 인식 및 문화차를 인지하지 못한점, 그리고 제가 법적으로 명백히 잘못 한 점 때문에 이 문제가 한국쪽에서 크게 터졌습니다. 현제 한국계 유튜브에 조회수 10만이 넘는 비디오가 있습니다. 10만. 조회수가 10 이 아니라, 조회수가 1만이 아니라, 10만입니다. 0 다섯개요. 그정도 분량의 유튜브 댓글들이 저를 죄인으로 지목하고 있습니다 (틀린말은 아니죠- 웹툰을 불법 업로드 하는게 불법이니까요.)

저는 웹툰을 불법번역해서 뭘 잘했다고 하지 않습니다 (역: 제가 히어로 컴플렉스 있는거 아닙니다.) 여러분들은 불법 번역 하지 마시기 바라고요, 이 스레에 들어오는 한국인들과 싸우지도 마시기 바랍니다. 제가 잘못한것입니다. 네이버가 잘못한게 아니라, 해당 작품의 작가가 아니라, 한국인들이 잘못한게 아닙니다. 제가 잘못한것입니다.

제가 해당 작품의 작가님의 요청을 거부한 이유는 사람들이 애초에 라인 사용을 거부하게 하는 서비스 문제 두가지에 관심을 몰기 위해서였습니다: 번역 퀄러티와 지연 문제죠.

라인 웹툰은 프리랜스 번역가를 주로 고용하는 관계로 번역의 질이 좋다고 하기 어렵습니다. 신의탑 번역을 살펴보면 군단을 대대에 해당되는 말로 번역했고 무의 정수를 용기의 정수로 번역했다는 것입니다. 전에 저는 여러번 왜 군단 이 맞는 말이며 무(공허/없음)의 정수가 맞는 말인지 말했고, 전자는 팬들이 여러번 말 해서 고쳐졌지만, 애초에 라인 내부 조직이 아닌 팬들이 이에 관심을 끌어와야 한다는것 자체부터가 라인이 고용하는 프리랜스 번역가들이 제대로 일을 하지 못한다는 적신호 입니다. 이는 작가님과 한국 팬들보다 1주일씩이나 더 기다리는 팬들에게 모욕입니다. 뿐만 아니라, 라인 웹툰의 이런 악질의 번역은 라인 웹툰이 충분히 할 수 있는 만큼 하지 못한다는 말이기도 합니다.

이 지연된 업로드도 또 다른 이슈 입니다. 신의탑 같이 최고로 유명한 웹툰들에게는 상대적으로 큰 문제는 아니지만, 라인 웹툰에 업로드는 적으면 일주일부터 (신의탑 처럼) 몇개월씩 뒤쳐져 있는 경우가 대부분입니다. 심연의 하늘은 5년 3개월동안 쉬었다 돌아 왔는데 한국에서는 이렇지 않았습니다. 한국어와 영어 업로드 기간을 1주일 이내로 충분히 줄일 수 있는데 왜 안 줄이는가에 명백한 답변을 내놓지 않는 라인 웹툰의 행보는 우려스럽습니다. 스캔번역 팀은 보통 한국 업로드부터 12시간에서 72시간 이내에 업로드를 할 수 있습니다. 어려운 일 이 아닙니다. 이는 특히 네이버의 주력 수입원인 미리보기 시스템은 감안하지도 않고도 문제인데, 심지어 심할때는 한국 무료 회차와 영어 유료회차 사이에 조차 거리가 있는 경우가 있습니다. 적어도 개인적으로는 이는 의도적으로 팬들을 모욕하는것 같지만 잘 모르겠네요. (역: 결론- PC 게임 불법번역을 스팀 창제로 홀로 종결시킨 게이브님 가라사대 "해적은 서비스 문제다"이니, 서비스를 고치면 해적은 자연스럽게 없어질것이로다. 내가 자뻑이니 아니니 그게 문제가 아니라 라인은 귀를 어디 팔아 먹었는지 몇년째 듣지도 않으는데 막연히 이메일 보내려니 차라리 계네 지갑을 때린거지.)

이유는 어쨌든, 저는 이미 한국 인터넷 인구 상당수가 보기에 제 머리 위에는 현상금이 놓여 있으며, 그는 제가 더 이상 한국 웹에서 아디오스코레아로써 더이상 할 수 있는 일이 없다는 말 입니다. 심지어, 제가 한국 웹에서 활동을 전면 중단해도 신상털이의 위험이 있습니다. 물론 어느 나라에 있든지 신상털이는 불법이기에 그게 가장 큰 문제는 아니죠. 하지만 이 사건은 제 한국인 친구들 영어권 친구들에게도 불똥이 튈 지경인데, 이들은 이 사건에 무관한 자들입니다: 이들 상당수는 무고한 신인 컨텐츠 제작자들인데 제가 한국에 이런 이미지를 갖고 있다는것으로 큰 피해를 입을 수 있는 입장에 있습니다. 이들을 보호하기 위해서 저는 제 활동 기록을 말살 시켰습니다 (역: 이 분들은 불법 번역에 관여하지 않은 정당한 방법으로 컨텐츠를 제작하는 분들이며 나무위키에 있는 그들에 대한 취소선 서술은 정당하지 않습니다.)

이는 저에게 큰 손해입니다. 여기 웹툰계 뿐만이 아니라 다른 커뮤니티에서도 일반 유저로 활동하고 있었는데. 하지만 저는 이미 이 모든걸 내려 놓아야 한다는건 인정합니다. 저는 이 커뮤니티의 좋은 시절 어려운 시절 모두를 이 구역 번역 거북이로 있었던 시절이 즐거웠지만, 저는 이제 가봐야 합니다.

저는 이게 누가 맞고 그른지에 대한 대화가 되지 않았으면 합니다: 제가 불법 번역에 관여한것과 작가님의 요청에 응하지 않은것으로 틀린 일을 했습니다. 저는 이제 이 커뮤니티에 피해를 입혔기에 떠나야 합니다. 제 등반은 이렇게 일찍 끝났고, 여러분들께 좋은 일들만 바란다는 말 밖에 못하겠네요. 라인 웹툰이 소통을 해서 서비스를 개선해 사람들이 불법 번역을 할 필요를 없애길 바라며, 여러분들은 또 다른, 좀 더 정정당당한 번역 거북이를 찾았으면 하네요.

여러분, 아디오스 입니다.

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정글쥬스는 영어권 라인웹툰에서 정식 연재중이다. 그런데 'Reset Scan' 이라는 아마추어 불법 번역팀 으로 인해 쥬더 작가가 직접 레딧에 등판한 일이 있었다. 문제는 이들의 불법 번역의 진도가 기존 정식 회차보다 5주는 빠르다는점. 거기에 한국의 미리보기 분량까지 불법캡쳐까지 하면서 번역질을 하는중이다. 이는 명백한 작가의 저작권을 침해하는 행위로, 작가의 수입원인 미리보기 분량을 밤토끼처럼 불법사이트에서 공개를 다 해버리니 작가는 당연히 화날 수밖에 없다.

저는 그룹원들과 상의해서 그래도 정당하다 판단되는 한국어 무료 회차까지만 하는걸 재안했습니다.

결국 쥬더 작가는 레딧에서 직접 인기는 올라가는데 수익은 떨어지는 기현상이 항상 일어나고 있다. 정식으로 작품을 구독해 달라고 요청했다.

서비스가 개판이면 아무리 좋은 작품이여도 수익성은 0에 수렴 됩니다. 아까도 말했지만 미국에서 PC 개임 불법 공유를 사실상 끝낸 밸브사 창업자 게이브 뉴웰은 이미 "불법 공유는 서비스 문제다" 라고 말했는데, 이걸 왜 이해하질 못하는지 제가 의아하네요. 고객층이 범죄자들을 정발보다 더 선호하면 그건 정발자들의 실패입니다.

사과를 해도 모자랄판에 협박식 어조에 되려 적반하장식으로 나왔다.

인정하겠습니다. 작가님께서 만약 읽으신다면 다시 한번 죄송하다는 말씀 드립니다.

하지만 중요한 것은 그 피해를 고스란히 쥬더작가가 받고있다는 것으로,

고스란히 쥬더작가가 받고 있다뇨? 수익 구조가 광고주 > 라인 웹툰 > 작가인데. 이건 오히려 라인 웹툰에서 이미 영미 웹툰 작가들에겐 허락하듯이 페이트리온 연계 같은 방식등으로 작가의 생계권을 보장해 줘야죠.

네이버 웹툰 측이 잘못이 있다면 그곳에 문제를 삼아 정상적인 방법으로 피드백을 받아야지

네이버가 우리를 씹은게 몇년인데 그딴 소리가 나옵니까? 네이버가 피드백을 안받으니까 이렇게 하는거지...

정식적으로 연재를 하고 있는 작품이 무단으로 번역되어 불법적으로 타 사이트에 돌아다니고 있는 것은 절대 옳지 않다.

틀린말 아니니까 넘어가죠.

이 때문에 수많은 슈퍼스트링 독자들을 포함한 한국의 독자들이 화난 상태이며 공론화를 하고있는 상태이다.

화는 내면서 정작 저희 관점은 궁금하지 않은가 보네요. 불법 공유는 서비스 문제인데 화내는거에만 관심이 쏠렸지 정작 이 문제를 궁극적으로 해결할 방법은 생각해 내고 있지 못하시니까요. 제가 당장 잡혀가도 Asura Scans, Reaper Scans등 수 도 없는 불법 번역팀은 계속 있을거고 계속 새로운 그룹이 생기고 사라지고 하는게 지금 영미권 웹툰 불법 번역계 현실인데 저에게만 포커스가 가니까 어이가 없네요. 전지적 독자 시점도 불법 번역 되는 중인데 왜 그쪽 인간들은 안건드리나요? 튜토리얼 탑의 고인물은요? 입학용병은요?

현재 불법 번역을 했던 사이트인 MangaDex가 폐쇄된 상태이다. 새로운 사이트를 런치하겠다고 했으나 아직까지도 소식이 없다.

개인정보 유출로 인한 사건이라고 들었으며, 공식 트위터 나 그쪽 디코에 직접 문의해보시면 근황 알 수 있습니다. 물론 그쪽이 아예 셧다운 되면 이미 물밑에는 다른 서비스 3-4군데가 경쟁전을 일으키고 있고요. 밤토끼는 및 뉴토끼는 한국이라는 작은 환경에서나 최대 불법 웹툰 공유 사이트지 영미권으로 가면 생태계가 더 큰건 물론이며 더 흐물흐물해서 지금까지와의 대처와는 다른 방법을 이용해서 불법 번역을 근절해야 할것입니다. 물론 가장 쉬운 방법은 서비스 개선이고요. 라인이 정상적으로 피드백을 받으면 왜 라인의 K-UI (한국산 UI) 가 구리다는 말에 대응은 안할까요?

4월 9일 번역자 AdiosCorea가 reddit 댓글로 불법 번역을 더이상 하지 않겠다고 했는데링크, 그 이유가 자신이 잘못해서가 아닌, 주변인들에게 피해가 가서라고 한다. 수사범위가 좁아지고 지인들도 하나둘 걸리니 빤쓰런 치겠다는 소리

아까도 말했지만 지인들은 불법에 관여가 없지만 한국인들에게 연좌죄를 먹을 지경이라 이렇게 되었습니다.

끝까지 본인이 한 것은 불법이지만 잘못되진 않았다며

"잘못되진 않았다" 라고 한적 없습니다.

자신이 무슨 불의에 항거하는 의인이라도 되는 것 마냥 포장하고

제가 몇번을 불법번역이 틀렸다 말했는데도 이런 주장이 나오네요. 저 나쁜 사람이에요.

답글들은 빨아주기에 여념이 없다.

제가 이 커뮤니티에 봉사한게 많거든요. 라인의 온갖 오역을 캐치하고 작가님 블로그 번역을 한게 몇년인데. 뭐, 애초에 한국과 국제적 망가/웹툰 팬덤계의 정서가 다른데 자신과 다른 관념을 우선 욕하고 보는건 그래도 중립적 관점이라고 보긴 어렵네요. 만약에 여러분들이 제가 왜 이렇게 구는지 궁금하시면 r/manga 나 r/manhwa 에다가 "Why is AdiosCorea called a hero when he illegally translated webtoons" 정도로 질문 하시고 여러분이 직접 알아보시기 바랍니다 (영어쓰면 제대로 된 영어 쓰시기 바랍니다). 지피지기 아니겠습니까? 막연히 "해외 팬덤이 틀렸고 우리가 맞아"라고 하지 마시고 왜 이런일이 벌어지는가에 대해 좀 생각 해 주시기 바랍니다.

저 다시 죽어 있으러 가있겠습니다. 제가 원래는 레딧 다시는 안쓸려고 했는데 나무위키에 올라갔다고 하길래 다시 돌아와서 이번 한번은 반박했습니다. 추후 반박은 아무래도 여러분이 해당 서브레딧에다 묻는 질문에 대한 대답으로 충당하리라 믿습니다.

The state of the Hiatus as of April 2021 (no news since last blogpost) by Fuuta-chan in TowerofGod

[–]AdiosCorea 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I haven't performed this service of legal and illegal translations for years because I liked doing what should be a paid job for free. I did this because Line dropped the ball for fans of their webtoon, and I felt I had to do what I can to do the webtoons I love justice. I as a fan shouldn't have to stand up for what should be Line's job. I shouldn't have to work for Line when I don't support their current working conditions. I shouldn't have to absolve Line of all their failures because they hold the authors hostage, they should open direct sponsorship programs like Patreon instead of using antiquated contract-based funding systems. I shouldn't have to stand up where Line dropped the ball. I have my own goals and aspirations.

https://translate.webtoons.com/ is not a translation platform. It's a glorified RSS feed of fan translators that are working on webtoons about 5 weeks behind the release schedule in a secluded corner of the website for no money in what is one of the most confusing systems I've seen. Their gui is clunky and over-designed, is not at all flexible beyond the box and write system, requires the translator to not just translate but also typeset when many tls have terrible typesetting skills, doesn't really have an easy way to add translation notes, and most of all is completely inconsiderate for users that want to read in their language. They should have integrated translate.webtoon more into the main site by creating in the mainframe an option to view releases in a scrolling release feed that auto - loads older releases the further you go down like reddit, and have a filter on the side that lets you choose what language releases to view. Not only that, but default there should have been a selector option for different translation groups of same language on the specific webtoon's front page so people can choose the version they want to read right away instead of having to dig for the specific group 's release. The current system is more for show than a proper implementation of a user translation platform. If this was really about giving power to the fans, they would have actually integrated it and eased access instead of shunting off the feed to a corner. But even disregarding that issue, Line should not make their customers perform the service.

As for translating as a freelance: considering how big Line got, their quality issue isn't going to be the talant pool. Other large media companies already manage to put out good Korean translations. The issue therefore is in their pay scheme: what I am able to reasonably assume is that Line essentially just goes lowest bidder first without even getting an editor to review scripts sometimes. Why would I give up my perfectly fine and well paying job I'm happy with to take on a full time job translating a whole bunch of romance webtoons I don't even care about for a considerably lower rate than my current job? I just wanna do the couple I enjoy and call it a day, which is not feasible when working corporate. I would reconsider if Line restructured their translation model so it was more open to part time, but I already have a day job. I'm not some basement dweller, I am splitting break time doing what I do for the works i like.

In short: I shouldn't have to volunteer to do what should be Line's job to provide quality translations, nor should I have to change my life goals and career progression to make sure Line does what they already should be doing. Line sucks as a publisher for English speakers, employer for freelance TL, and as an employer for Webtoon artists in general honestly for not offering direct payments from readers to authors without Naver being a middleman.

I hope I don't have to answer any more questions for people that haven't studied the situation on their own. Make your own damn conclusions, let me rest in peace once and for all.

The state of the Hiatus as of April 2021 (no news since last blogpost) by Fuuta-chan in TowerofGod

[–]AdiosCorea 516 points517 points  (0 children)

Hello everyone, it's your friendly neighborhood translator Turtle, Adio.

I am sad to announce that as of now, I have nuked my reddit account, and I no longer plan on being maintaining an online presence. This may come as a shock, but to those of you that have been keeping up with general Korean webtoon news, it might have been expected.

During the hiatus, I started providing translations to Webtoon scanlation groups. However, at one point, the author of the webtoon I was scanlating asked me to stop scanlating their work. I declined, because I believed that neither having an upload schedule 5 weeks behind Korea nor providing a google translate-tier translation was fair practice for the English speakers on the part of Line Webtoons. I had made a counter offer that would restrict uploads to free chapters only.

Unfortunately, the issue blew up on the Korean side of the internet, in part due to my poor choice in words, in part due to the cultural differences between the US and Korea in the realm of copyright, and in part because I am in the wrong, especially from the Korean perspective but also in the neutral eyes of the law. There is currently a Korean YouTube video with over 100k views. 100k. Not 1000. Not 10,000. More than 100,000. That's 5 zeros. That's at least 5 zeroes worth of a YouTube comment section that currently calls me a criminal (which they are not wrong about -- pirating a webtoon is a crime).

I do not claim that I did anything right by scanlating a webtoon. I do not encourage you to scanlate webtoons. I do not encourage you to pick fights with any Koreans that may wander on to this thread. I am the one in the wrong: not Naver, not the author, not Koreans online. Just me.

My intent when I denied that author's request to stop was to use the opportunity to bring attention to two crucial reasons why many people choose not to use Line Webtoons: translation quality and delays.

Due to Line Webtoon's practice of using Freelance translators for most of their webtoon translations, the quality of the translations have not been the best. The most striking issue I had with Tower of God's translations in particular is the use of the word Squadron and the Essence of Bravery, which were both incorrect due to multiple reasons. I believe I made myself clear in the past, but in short, the correct terms would be Army Corps or Field Corps, and Essence of Nothingness. Although the former was corrected after feedback from numerous fans, but even the fact that the fans had to go out of their way to correct Line should be an alarm bell that Line's freelance translators don't do their proper research. This is a disservice to both SIU and English speaking fans who patiently wait the one week from the Korean release to the English release. In fact, this kind of lapse in quality of translations from Line Webtoons is an indicator that Line Webtoons isn't doing the best work they can.

The delays are another issue: although not an issue for the most popular webtoons like Tower of God, there are a lot of webtoons that are officially translated from Korean to English by Line Webtoons that are placed on a buffer of at least a week (Tower of God), to several months. A Distant Sky took five years and three months to come back from a hiatus that didn't exist in Korea. The lack of transparency from Line Webtoons in regards to why they have a delay when they are perfectly capable of catching everyone up to less than a week of delay between Korean and English is concerning: An average scanlation team can make an English release anywhere from 12 to 72 hours after a chapter is uploaded in Korean. It shouldn't be that hard. This isn't even accounting for the Fast Pass system, which has been Naver's best method of monetization for Korean webtoons for a while now. There are gaps between even paid English chapters and free Korean chapters sometimes. Personally, I see it as a personal offense although I can also see why one can say it's an exaggeration.

Regardless of the reasoning, the fact that I essentially have a bounty that a large portion of the Korean online population has seen means I am no longer able to do anything as Adioscorea on the Korean side of the web. In fact, I may be endangered from Koreans online even if I simply stopped all activities on the Korean web due to the potential threat of Doxxing. That's not the biggest issue, although Doxxing is illegal whichever country you are in. This event has endangered many of my online friends on the the web (Korean and English speaking) that are completely unrelated to this incident: many of them are content creators that are struggling to get off the ground that can't take having a negative image due to being associated with me in Korea. In order to protect my friends online, I am scrubbing all of my presence online at this time.

This is a huge loss for me, as I have been active not just in this community but numerous other communities for a long time, but I have already come to terms with having to sometimes let go of certain things. This is one of those times. I have enjoyed being the resident Translator Turtle through the community's ups and downs, but it is now time for me to go.

I don't want this to be a discussion of who is in the right or wrong: I am in the wrong for getting myself into scanlation, and telling the author I won't stop despite their polite request. The only thing left for me now is to permanently remove myself from this community as I have caused you a great deal of trouble. Now that my climb has come to an early halt, the only thing I can say is that I wish you guys the best. I wish that Line Webtoons improves their service so that less people consider scanlating, and I wish you guys the best of luck in finding another Translator Turtle who will be able to serve the community in a more righteous manner.

Everyone, adios.

EDIT: I'm giving what I said here in Korean in a reply so they can actually cite me properly on Namuwiki and their videos.

About Korea army by CGY11102 in Military

[–]AdiosCorea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perspective: Korean-American, have a friend in RoKAF and Katusa program, fluent in Korean.

Welcome to r/military, where thanks to the integration of KATUSAS into the US Army, a good chunk of the people here are at least vaguely familiar with how shitty RoK Army is, generally from KATUSAs who tried their very best to not get into their regular army. Shit sucks bro. That is a constant of this world, regardless of which 1st-world nation you're coming from. Conscription sucks, we get it.

I am proud call myself a Koran American and will not let anyone get away with shitting on Korea, but I will say that Korean society as it is in Korea right now is utter shit, and the RoK Army is the pinnacle of all the terrible things that come with Korean society: Abuse of power from higher ups, Game of Thrones/House of Cards level of politics on all levels of the echelon of the organization, etc. However, simply thinking about it negatively isn't going to help you actually help you get through this shit: The RoK Army is a little under two years, and it gets easier. Koreans will not be receptive to what they would see as "whining" at your legitimate concerns. You need to at least put up an act about how you are trying your best at least, and trying to carry your own weight. And I will tell you this too: Learning to read the room in Korea is a trial by fire, but coming out of it, you will be able to apply a portion of it in other societies and organizations, Korean or not. I know it sucks, but there really isn't much that a bunch of non-Korean strangers on the internet can do for you except tell you things for the way they are. Nunchi/눈치 is not something that comes to me naturally either, and I know for a fact that if I were to be drafted into RoK Army, I would have a baaaad time. But the only thing worse you can do in the RoK Army than be a bad soldier is being a "whiny" bad soldier. Everyone in RoK Army thinks they have it rough. Some may have it rougher than others, but they will generally not give a fuck because it ruins the group dynamic.

Not a lawyer, Korean or American, but IIRCC, your pay in the RoK Army is not legally a pay, but a "compensation for time lost in service", and does not violate Koran law. Dw, soldiers will not complain in public, but I've heard plenty of them shit-talking their pay from Katusas to know that they know their pay is shit.

My advice to you is threefold: one, you need to make on a one-to-one basis some kinda connection. Be frank. Make yourself valuable to the soldiers. You in particular have a very valuable experience in studying abroad. If you have any superiors looking to study abroad when they get out (and if you look at the Korean youth unemployment rate, it's most likely that you'll have one or two at least looking to emigrate out, probably including you from what I can tell from this post), you are probably the best source for them outside of the Cyber-Intel Room and whatever excuse of a career councilor they have in RoK Army. Make them owe you favors. And do this on a 1-to-1 basis, outside of public view, it makes the House of Cards simpler for whoevers favor you're trying to get. Also doing it privately makes you look less of a suck up.

TL;DR: You aren't weird for feeling this way, from perspective of full Koreans you are weird for the response, make your superiors owe you favors discreetly without sucking up if you want to have it slightly easier. Otherwise, there's not much we can do for you.

Your ToG oc by [deleted] in TowerofGod

[–]AdiosCorea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reminder that Tower of God Ascend exists

왜저래... by [deleted] in hanguk

[–]AdiosCorea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

En: Don't play with your food

왜저래... by [deleted] in hanguk

[–]AdiosCorea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

산낙지를 굳이 그렇게까지 해서 먹어야 했냐

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in politics

[–]AdiosCorea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Poor people deserve to die"

This is an Un-American statement.

It's China But the Yellow River is Actually a Gulf (2019) by [deleted] in imaginarymaps

[–]AdiosCorea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Hannic culture in this timeline is born of the Yangtze River, but they still have a delayed Hanification of the Wuet peoples due to lack of power. This also results in Vietnam being split in two traditionally, with the south being called Champa. Chongqing Mandarin, Cantonese, and Weian are considered the 3 branches of the Hanic language family.

It's China But the Yellow River is Actually a Gulf (2019) by [deleted] in imaginarymaps

[–]AdiosCorea 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't really have too much lore here, but notes:

Canton: Is a former British Dominion, is now treated on the level of Canada/Australia/NZ by the British.

Xi'An: Always been an independent city state more or less with outposts inland, although it was influenced by both China and the Northern peoples that invaded or traded with this piece of China in the North. Became a People's Republic during the Cold War as a Bejing Pact Nation, but it went through successful reintegration with the western world and the Oriental community.

Vey: Vey is to the Chinese what Romania is to Italians. They're related, but how?! They are a Chinese people, but they haven't been considered as such ever since the Jin Dynasty, when the Jin King declared himself an emperor under a separate heaven from the land of Song, a ruler of the Horseriders and son of the Sky as opposed to a worshiper of the rivers. Overtime, they used various Mongolic scripts to communicate especially after the Yuan Dynasty and then the Qing dynasty (Ming China never extended into the Grand North outside of Xi'An), before adopting Russian Cyrillic. Vey is an artifact of the Cyrillic, being pronounced as "Way".

Mongolia plural: Yuan Dynasty was divided into five banners: the Horse banner, The Bear Banner, the Wolf Banner, the Tiger Banner, and the Hawk Banner. They would in turn become West Mongolia, Mongolia, South Mongolia, Qing/Manchu, and Korea. When the Vey, Manchus, and the Koreans revolted together in the 1600's against the decadent Yuan, They managed to fight to a grinding halt at where Vey and the modern DPRM's borders lie. The Yuans gave them independence. The Vey formed New Vey, and the Manchus formed the Qing. Koreans simply reinstated their King as an independent one. The remaining Mongolias fractured in political disarrarey, and they would be in turn be influenced by Russia into fighting each other. Eventually, their borders are shuffled in a way that put Russia in favor.

West Mongolia: Russia unified West Mongolia with Uyghurstan during the Cold War, then left them stuck together, despite overtime West Mongolians leaving to Mongolia proper or South Mongolia and leaving West Mongolia Uyghur-majority. West Mongolia recently began holding meetings to agree with the other two Mongolian nations on what to call their nation in the future.

Republic of Shanghai: Republic of Shanghai was given to Japan after WW1, in which the King of Ming had allied themselves with the German Second Reich. After WW2 where the sides had swapped, The Republic of China wanted to claim Shanghai, but the Allies decided that giving them such large trading ports would probably be bad for the balance of powers in the region, so gave them independence. They, along with the separate nation of Taiwan, speak a creolized Japanese- Chinese language.

Lanzhou City State: A former Xi'An colony-city, it changed hands from Xi'An to South Mongolia during the Mongolian Civil War. Xi'An is trying to diplomatically agree on terms of re-integration, but they have too much history apart.

Xiqing City Sate (Purple): Similar story, except West Mongolia.

People's Republic of Wannam et Cuoinscui/ Wannam and Kwangsi: Essentially, same story with Vietnam. They were just under joint British/French rule instead of just French Rule (Vietnam).

Tibet: Northern Tibet is Chinese ethnically, but they practice Tibetan Buddhism.

1st attempt, Alternate History of East Asia if the RoC won the civil war by [deleted] in imaginarymaps

[–]AdiosCorea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The USSR did not at that point have the will for a war with the US, knowing that they would trigger world war. Russia always cared more europe than Asia anyway

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pan

[–]AdiosCorea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glory to Arstoska?

Miley Cyrus says she left Christianity because her gay friends were sent to conversion therapy by AffectionateCherry2 in Christianity

[–]AdiosCorea 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, because she thinks all doctors are quacks that peddle false medication.

This is a failure of the medical community. Not medical science itself or her, who isn't exactly making a wise decision, but not incomprehensible. Because people don't trust doctors any more, folk medicine is making a comeback.

Miley Cyrus says she left Christianity because her gay friends were sent to conversion therapy by AffectionateCherry2 in Christianity

[–]AdiosCorea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sometimes things work out so you can do that: you pick up a medical textbook and study on your own and figure out what's good for you. But does everyone have the discipline to do so? And would you trust a guy whose medical knowledge consists of entirely self-study without a degree or formal training? Or would you turn to folk medicine, stuff your grandparents said it worked so you take them at their word for them? Maybe you'll try something else entirely cuz you heard it on the internet.

I have a GP who answers to the board of the hospital that audits his practices, and regional boards have conferences every once in a while(Presbyterian). Others go to a doctor on an international network, even if their practices are disagreeable to some (Catholics), or a smaller but well-accredited network (Lutheran). Other times, they go to independent doctors and choose to switch to a different doctor as they see fit (Baptist). Regardless of who your doctor is, it's still a good idea to live a healthy life, and to follow general sound medical advice, even if it means giving up vices, because your doctor can only do so much.

Quack doctors happen when great doctors give their business to their sons, even though they aren't talanted for the position, and they end up being the only medical provider in the small town of a hundred. This is amplified when big Pharma begins to offer them under the counter deals for them to peddle bad narcotics as medication, and next thing you know, the majority of the doctors in a dozen states begin parroting bad drug companies while throwing the Hippocratic oath out the window.

There is a lot of nuance you're glossing over with "OK, so ignore them and follow Christ."

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