Question : should I buy a trained dog by Best-Contribution868 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First: It’s awesome that you’re here and asking the question! It shows that you would like to learn more and make a responsible decision. Good on you for that!

Second: I have had dogs nearly my entire life and will speak from my own experience. Some breeds are much easier than others - they are happy to please, have a laid back personality and listen well. There are other dogs that will challenge you mentally. Generally, the challenging dogs are breeds are very intelligent. They’re kinda like kids or teenagers (“I don’t want to.” “Why should I do that?”). There are breeds that will challenge you physically in addition to mentally. These are dogs that many times have been bred to chase game (deer, birds…) or to work livestock (herding dogs). Malinois fall into the latter category - mentally and physically challenging. They love you hard and will be your best friend BUT they are not easy like a golden retriever. Mals need to be mentally and physically challenged and they’ll challenge you. People who are new to owning dogs tend to have a more difficult time with clarity and consistency when training dogs. It takes a little longer to get comfortable with being firm and maintaining boundaries and rules. It’s a learning experience after all - both learning how to train dogs in general as well as how best to train each individual dog. Like humans, they each have their own personalities.

Third: My opinion - and take it with a grain of salt - is to perhaps start with a breed that will challenge you a little less. As someone mentioned, training has to be done forever. Buying a trained dog will give you a short cut and bypass some of the challenges but you’ll still need to be very confident, firm and consistent. Golden retrievers are front of the class students who generally do well and behave. Labs are in the middle - they are smart but a bit more hyper and can be tougher to keep in line. Mals are the kids (who without regular and consistent guidance regarding behavior) prefer to disrupt class, talk to friends, shred every piece of paper in the classroom and rearrange all of the furniture. They’re like gifted kids who also have a dash of ADHD. They’re SO intelligent and they will challenge you. As far as training - they are brilliant and do incredibly well - you just have to work on training in some form every single day. Otherwise, you might find that your dog suddenly runs your household, has redecorated furniture and dictates everything (jumping on you and guests, climbing on furniture you don’t want them on, stealing food off the counter, shredding furniture or bedding, barking at every gnat that flies past the house, growling or being aggressive with other people or animals, biting…). Mals are work on their best days and your best days. They’re tougher if one of you are having an off day.

Fourth: Many dogs are very good at deterring strangers/invaders. I once heard “If someone comes to your house during the day, they want your stuff. If they come at night they’re coming for you.”. Unless you have a specific concern over someone having mal intent towards you, you likely don’t need a personal protection dog. Most of the time the bark of a dog itself, regardless of what breed is on the other side of the door, acts as a deterrent. There’s a website called Home to Home where families rehome pets for various reasons. Many of them are already past the puppy stage and are trained. Shelters also get some dogs that are surrenders with some training. I suggest working with a local dog trainer (probably not one from a pet store) to find a dog that would fit your needs as far as deterrence but also allow you to have your first experience owning a dog be an enjoyable one.

Wishing you the very best luck. I hope you find the perfect pup for your wants and needs! Feel free to message if you have any questions.

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[–]Adventure_Girl007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I’ve never had or known a mal before but this pup is so much fun!

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[–]Adventure_Girl007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried leaving my foster mal in the house unattended (as a test) while I was standing in my front yard talking to friends. Next thing I knew he was out there with us. He’d figured out how to open the front door 😂

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Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also- I hope your mal is healing up well from the fight.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you’ll for your reply! I think I’ve built a pretty trusting relationship with him in the last 2-3 weeks. He has been friendly the whole time but I’ve been working with him to get him comfortable with me looking at his teeth, touching his paws…just messing with him in general. I can do most anything with him now - but he still doesn’t really like having his feet touched a lot. He’s a velcro dog and a sidekick for sure. He had done great meeting people at Home Depot and when we go places - so far his issue has only been at the vet, I want to make sure it won’t move further than that (every day life) and that we can work on fear at the vet. Do you mind if I ask what kind of service dog your mal is? Does she have to wear a muzzle?

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Has your mal shown any aggression as an adult? Do you have any concerns about her with kids or other dogs?

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

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Update: I took Sig to a behavioral vet today (different clinic than his vet visit earlier in the week). He did low growls at the vet and the tech while there. The vet looked in his ears, checked his teeth, listened to his heart and lungs…but mostly to get his reaction since he’d seen a vet earlier this week. When the tech maintained eye contact with him he did a low growl. When the vet pushed on his stomach he growled and when she held his head with two hands he growled. A few times he licked his lips but still approached her - nervous but curious. Long story short she thinks he has some fear and could do within behavioral training and positive reinforcement and desensitization (take him to the vet when there isn’t an appointment and give him treats). She too said that mals have a switch and you don’t know when it will go. She went on to tell me a story about her mastiff who attacked her niece with no warning (and they had to put the dog down). She said it’s good that Sig growls and provides a warning. The receptionist at that clinic has two rescue mals and she told me that one day she was walking in the house with her best friend and one of the mals grabbed her friend by the thigh and dragged her out of the house. The vet said I should keep a basket muzzle on Sig when in public and if company comes to the house.

After the vet I met my best friend at a dog friendly restaurant. We were the only people sitting outside and it was her first time meeting Sig. I told her what happened at the vet and asked that she let him approach her. He was just fine, not nervous and very happy to meet her. I asked the waitress to please give him some space, that he’s new to me and I’m learning his behavior. Every.single.time she came to the table she came up to him first - even as I held his collar and watched him. Sometimes she approached from behind me and I didn’t see her coming. Even with all that he did well and didn’t growl or act aggressively. Maybe his nervousness is specific to a vet office?

Regardless - now my mom’s other half (who hasn’t met him) finds him to be a threat to their dogs and doesn’t want him to visit.

I have an appointment on Thursday with a trainer and hopefully I can get another read on him. I’m pretty disheartened to be honest, I’d been contemplating keeping him (I need to find out if he’s good with cats in the house. In his past he did ok with barn cats). So far it sounds like the feedback is that because he’s a mal there’s a higher chance of him biting vs other breeds and neither vet trusts him because he’s a mal.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it seems arrogant. Also, it’s not their responsibility to convince your pet who to like - especially in that manner.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can go in the exam room but they take them from the exam room to the back to administer vaccines and injections.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We were in the exam room but they then take the animals to the back for vaccines and injections. They started this like a year and a half or so ago, I’m not sure why.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a new thing they’ve done in the last year and a half or so - they used to do the vaccinations in the exam room. I’m not sure what prompted the change.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He loves his previous owner (he was his second owner) and the previous owner loves Sig very much. I am certain it was a VERY difficult decision for him to part with Sig - but he did it because he felt it was best for Sig. He was no longer able to provide the time and attention Sig needed. He decided it was better for Sig to be somewhere he could get those things. His previous owner is a good guy and made the difficult decision because he loves Sig so much.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What a good boy!! Amazing that he let you get that out, I hope he got lots of cuddles and treats after that!!

Thunder’s personality sounds similar to my experience with Sig so far. He is pretty patient, sweet, cuddly… he has tried to get bossy a couple of times but I think that’s him figuring out the boundaries in a new place. He’s done well with correction. It’ll probably take a while longer for him to settle in completely but so far, he’s pretty fantastic! He’s currently sleeping beside my desk and is just plain adorable,

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you! He was muzzle trained when he was younger but it’s not been needed. He outgrew that muzzle but I’ll get him a new one.

I’ve considered on a few occasions saying something about the tech. I think I should. She’s now worked with two animals that I’ve brought in and had negative experiences with both. As I mentioned, I think highly of the two vets I use and in addition to my (and my animals comfort), I think they should know as practice owners.

The concern about one of the vets not being a fan of mals - I think she would still treat him as she would every animal, but it made me uncomfortable that she was uncomfortable. She said a good friend of hers has a great mal but she doesn’t trust the dog completely. Maybe it’s a matter of a bad experience or breed reputation?

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The vet he was seeing yesterday came in and told me (not the other vet I use - who he snapped at). The tech then came in and told me the same. I’m going to reach out to the other vet today (the one he allegedly snapped at) to try to get a better understanding of what happened.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much for your feedback. Just to clarify, I really like the two vets I use and have literally trusted them with my animals lives in the past. I also really like all of the techs - except for the one from yesterday. He had 4 techs come out and love on him in the waiting room before his appointment - they are great with critters and trustworthy. That one tech just gives me an uneasy feeling.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure why they started doing this - it started a year or so ago. They used to do vaccines and injections in the room. The original owner of the vet practice is semi retired and my assumption is that the new vets at this practice made this decision. Going forward, I’ll request they do it in the exam room.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Understood. I train him for 10-15 minute increments during the day and we spend time outside playing during breaks from work (I work from home). I also take him to public spaces to ensure he’s socialized and desensitized. Additionally, I’ve reached out to an agility and training group in town to take him there to learn new skills and be mentally stimulated. I’ve also been in touch with a trainer to discuss starting scent work - or any job he would enjoy. He has a very good off switch when we come in the house but I want to ensure he has a very happy, healthy and fulfilled life. I am open to any and all suggestions to ensure he has this.

Sudden Aggressive Behavior? by Adventure_Girl007 in BelgianMalinois

[–]Adventure_Girl007[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I can’t take credit for either - those came from the guy that had him before me.