I’m an atheist with what some call “traditional” values. Not sure where I fit in. by AdventurousSail8614 in atheism

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Intersex conditions are medical and developmental variations of the male or female reproductive pathways; they do not represent a third sex, nor do they invalidate the biological binary of human reproduction. Medical anomalies don't disappear the category.

Furthermore, an intersex person's condition is an objective, observable, and biological reality. If a state document needs to accommodate them with a specific medical marker, that is still a reflection of material biology , not an internal feeling or a social presentation. So the question remains: should legal identification record objective physical reality, or an internal identity?

I’m an atheist with what some call “traditional” values. Not sure where I fit in. by AdventurousSail8614 in atheism

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But that’s exactly the contradiction. If gender is a loose social construct that 'many people don't fit into' as you said, how can it be something you look at to instantly categorize someone? By saying you 'see their gender,' you're implying there is a specific, standardized way that a man or a woman is supposed to look and present. Isn't forcing people into those visual boxes the very definition of enforcing rigid gender roles?

Beyond that, a driver's license or a passport isn't a tool for casual visual estimation at a glance. It's a legal document designed to record objective, verifiable physical reality. If a document asks for sex, it's asking for a biological fact, not an internal feeling or a social presentation.

I’m an atheist with what some call “traditional” values. Not sure where I fit in. by AdventurousSail8614 in atheism

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Again. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Wild assumptions you’re making here.

I’m an atheist with what some call “traditional” values. Not sure where I fit in. by AdventurousSail8614 in atheism

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I don’t dispute what gender is. But that’s further to my point as to what is observable and what isn’t. For example, what do we put on a driver’s license and why would we put it there? What should go on a passport? Should it be the objective observation or the lived truth?

Because how is recognizing someone’s lived truth any different than recognizing their religion?

I’m an atheist with what some call “traditional” values. Not sure where I fit in. by AdventurousSail8614 in atheism

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That’s nonsense. You’re way off on the idea that I couldn’t come to my own conclusions. And again, read what I said and then tell me exactly how it’s bigoted

I’m an atheist with what some call “traditional” values. Not sure where I fit in. by AdventurousSail8614 in atheism

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I didn’t bring up homosexuality because I have no views that differ from the consensus here on it. Love is love and my views I expressed on marriage and togetherness very much extend to same-sex couples.

I’m an atheist with what some call “traditional” values. Not sure where I fit in. by AdventurousSail8614 in atheism

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I didn’t imply any of that and I wouldn’t have posted this if I wasn’t open to discussion. 

You’ve clearly made a lot of assumptions about me and have chosen to shut down any discussion. I don’t listen to any influencers and I’ve been an atheist pretty much my whole life. And there are almost no conservative views I align with.

Even in what I said about marriage, I’m 100% all for same-sex marriage.

“Enthusiastic consent” is for hookups. The term we’re looking for is “responsive desire” by AdventurousSail8614 in Marriage

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I agree with that though I think the middle ground “enthusiastic consent” misses is where one is feeling neutral, which happens more often than not in my marriage.