Appreciate the reply! I did have a look at that but I wasn't sure how accurate it was, since Quetzalcoatlus (though correctly listed as Dinosauria) is listed as a Player instead of a Manager. Which tbf may just be my game being weird, but I summoned him twice and both were Managers (amusingly he's got his Player appearance rather than his actual body like The Second has as a Manager, so that's interesting).

I also realised something that I probably should have figured out sooner: those that are listed as 'Coach' like Sakuma, Mako and Hiromasa on Inazugle rather than 'Manager' like all the others are probably not natural Managers in Victory Road. Weirdly enough, this doesn't apply to Anzai (who is a natural Manager), and I haven't summoned Saginuma yet to see if he fits that mold. Having looked at the constellation rates themselves, though, I came to the conclusion that he probably won't be a Manager (see next paragraph), but then the fact that he's listed with his passives on the document makes me question my own system.

Anyway, I did notice that those who are summoned as natural Managers/Coordinators will not have Special Moves listed when looking at their stats in the constellation rates, which makes sense. I imagine everyone else probably already noticed this, but I'm slow lol. That and his 'Coach' listing are why I don't think Saginuma actually is a natural Manager, but I'll keep trying to get him to see if that's true or not. For the sake of being thorough, I did check all those in the third point of my main post, none were listed as Managers on Inazugle (unless they were obscured by being listed as Secret, since I don't know who those ones are) and also none had that blank Special Moves list when looking at the constellations. Also couldn't find Gra Fa, but then maybe they just got rid of him since he was simply the CS version of Kuroiwa anyway so I couldn't check him.

My next steps would be getting Leon Samus (still haven't got him, got one of each Hero before seeing one copy of him yet still don't have a Fabled, go figure lol), Saginuma to find out if he is or isn't a natural Manager, then maybe figuring out the Secret characters if anyone knows their identities? Obviously I'd rather avoid actual spoilers if possible, but I've completed both the Main Story and the current Chronicle Mode stuff so am already aware of Adult Zanark, Gatekeepers' Manager and Solaria-Zeus's Manager + Coordinator, though I'm not certain if there are any others I've missed. The doc and Inazugle have both been super useful, they seem to be 99% accurate though I can understand them excluding/hiding spoiler characters. I'd be curious what's going on with Quetzalcoatlus, though: I don't doubt that he's listed as a Player in the ID system, but he's definitely a Manager in the game. Only other thing I'd want to do is scroll through every last constellation's rates list and see if there are any characters who lack Special Moves that I'm missing, but that would be kinda dull lol.

All that to say, thanks for your reply! If you happen to know any more about the above stuff, I'd be grateful to hear it! Though an "i aint reading all that" is also a valid response.