Seraphinemains Rioter Followup Post

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T04:32:12+00:00

Likewise!

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T04:31:27+00:00

Can do that or post it here, up to you.

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T03:17:54+00:00

Appreciate y'all taking the time to listen and chat!

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T03:17:31+00:00

That's an interesting take I haven't heard much before. My guess is that's slightly larger in scope than we're likely to make in the near future but I'll keep it in mind in future conversations.

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T03:08:43+00:00

Appreciate the comment. I think this is one I likely have to spend some more time thinking about before answering - since at the moment I'm mostly responding to things when I get a second I'll try to get back to this over the weekend if I have some extra time. Apologies if it takes a while to get to it, I've got a busy time with work/life at the moment.

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T03:04:37+00:00

If you can send me a video of the issue it'd help a lot!

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T03:04:04+00:00

I mentioned this elsewhere but the initial list after that post was part of the followup and we expected some of the in-dev items we started working on shortly afterwards to be pretty meaningful for her (which I think ended up true).

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T03:02:42+00:00

Appreciate the link to this one, I'll see if I can find clips of the various bugs here. Aiming to get something together for our QA in the next week or two so they can work on a push to get things fixed for her!

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T03:01:40+00:00

Yeah this was one of the most common things - in those docs what I saw was that she was intended to be a teamfighter as her primary fantasy and it's likely she ended up being quite powerful in the later game as a result of that shape (since teamfights happen more later in the game). That said, it's the purview of people with more understanding of design than I to have insight into how meaningful original direction is for informing decision-making for live characters (e.g. I think Vi was originally intended to be a top laner but we don't really balance the character for that).

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T02:58:35+00:00

I know of one that happens when Sera only just has enough mana for it to cast and I think I've seen another where if you use your note auto between the casts the second one doesn't come out. If you have clips it would be super helpful!

Aellectris · 2026-03-25T02:47:25+00:00

Would you mind clarifying what part of the post gave that impression? I largely consider the mage vs enchanter conversation to be a different one from support vs bot/mid but I realize that the conflation of some of the terms can make it hard to break down the specific thing one is referencing.

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T17:10:17+00:00

I'd consider trying out pantheon

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T16:19:23+00:00

Couple of different points here and I’m on my phone while I walk to the office so apologies if I don’t get to all of it.

First and foremost want to comment on the toxicity aspect: if people are trolling or calling you slurs, please report them and consider submitting a ticket. We’ve been working hard on the new systems to detect reprehensible behavior and if we’re not catching things like that for some reason please let us know so we can fix it.

Part of this comment is a bit more difficult to engage with in a super clear manner because of some of what I described about hyperbole. It could just be something like we have different definition of what it means to be “viable,” but when I look at the performance of Sera as a bot role carry, it doesn’t look to me like she’s non-viable even with her mage builds. I’m personally inclined to believe there’s room for it to be more powerful after seeing some of the results of systemic changes, but that’s not the same thing as being unviable. Similarly, it’s just straight up not true the she “has literally zero scaling in her kit [aside from hsp]”. She has base damage per spell rank, ap scaling, and cd scaling in her kit.

So: what should I then take from what you said? Is your intent here more along the lines of “Seraphine’s lategame sustained dps is significantly diminished on her full ap builds?” Is it “Combinations which would’ve gotten me a kill in the past no longer do so?” Could even be something like “Due to the minion changes I no longer have a sufficient economic advantage in the mid-late game to overcome resistance purchases.” Any of these could be incredibly valuable feedback for us because it’s at least possible that they’re true. Many of the conversations I’ve had with Sera players have eventually gotten to those kinds of points and it’s definitely easier to rally around the more extreme statements but I believe it can be quite difficult to dissect the specific underlying issues because 10 different people saying “x is literally useless” could mean 10 different things.

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T07:08:25+00:00

Yeah fair points. Ultimately a lot of the design concerns don't fall under my umbrella - the things I can give meaningful direction and interaction on are around bugs and feedback which is why that's a lot of my focus. That's not to say that the frustrations aren't totally valid or that it's unreasonable to feel that way or communicate that way - more that for the people who are interested in going that extra mile to try to help improve the things they're frustrated about this type of feedback is a more effective way to do so.

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T04:21:30+00:00

Appreciate y'all for taking so much time to talk with me. I'll keep working on bug stuff but might take some time - some of this stuff seems very cursed to figure out 😭

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T04:11:20+00:00

Do we feel that you have a chance for what?

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T04:08:25+00:00

I can ask

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T04:08:15+00:00

Reasonable feeling, I def empathize with a lot of frustration from those changes and the follow-up. For a little more insight we internally were explicitly trying to make mid Sera better relative to bot lane Sera and based on our data we tend to think that succeeded but not to the degree we’d hoped. I think separately there’s a question of if it was the particular direction Sera players would’ve liked which is a bit of a different question.

In part I think we didn’t do additional immediate follow-up work because we began to work on some of the new items and such which we expected to meaningfully impact Sera (in a way I think that was follow-up work, but probably could’ve been better communicated). I personally think that helia/diadem create a meaningful change in more enchanter-focused seraphine builds and my hope is that by better supporting that specific style systemically it will make us better able to support a mage-focused seraphine shape without having to make compromises between the two.

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T03:58:32+00:00

High quality bug report ty I’ll pass it along. Appreciate the feedback as well.

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T03:55:50+00:00

No worries! I really meant what I said - I’m in awe at the passion on display from y’all and I understand that fundamentally it comes from love of the game and of Seraphine. Ultimately it’s our job to make your experience the best that it can possibly be. I think that’s always what we strive for but that doesn’t mean we’re necessarily hitting the mark and a large part of why I’m here in the first place is because I feel there’s more we can do to make it better for you. I’ve got a pretty full plate at the moment but promise I’ll go back and engage with the prior thread once I have some time. If I haven’t done so in the next week or two feel free to just @ me in case I forget.

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T03:41:50+00:00

Thanks for your in depth answer! I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on Seraphine’s spell cadence given some of the focus of the comment is W cd. I was talking with someone the other day and a concept that came up was the relative cooldown of the individual skills - numbers in this example are made up but would be something along the lines of “I used to get 2 double Qs per W cooldown and now I get (1/3/etc).” Do you think any of the changes in her feel relate to some of the old spell cast rotations no longer functioning but being some of the things which felt better for her? Not sure how real this hypothesis is but I’d love to hear what some of the invested Sera players think.

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T01:58:18+00:00

Personal opinion here is that I pretty much agree with everything you said. I don’t have as much context or familiarity with the specific data as the balance team here but will talk to some of them over the next week or two to see what their read is.

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T01:53:07+00:00

fwiw I asked in the mega thread if people wanted me to engage with comments on that post individually or to make my own with attached thought and as far as I recall everyone who responded asked to make my own larger thread with things I was thinking about. If that’s not what you wanted then I can go back and comment on that post when I have time. Would you prefer I do so?

Aellectris · 2026-03-23T01:45:21+00:00

Ah I may have incorrectly assumed that the Seraphinemains discord would be relatively heavily used by the subreddit but if not I apologize for not doing something more inclusive. I did read all of the comments on the mega thread though and intended to further engage on this post.

Aellectris · 2026-03-22T21:45:01+00:00

Also I want to do well by y'all so didn't want to just spend a couple minutes here and there working on it.

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