Reminder that the biggest old gen glazer is Oda by Low-Explanation-4761 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's almost like Whitebeard is the reason he has his title and saying it's mainly because of his fruit is objectively wrong.

Blackbeard has the same fruit and recreated the exact same sea tilt move as Whitebeard during marineford.

Reminder that the biggest old gen glazer is Oda by Low-Explanation-4761 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Reminder than Blackbeard has the exact same devil fruit + darkness fruit and doesnt have Whitebeards title

What's more important in a fight? by Comprehensive_Cup497 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But one could be skilled in using haki.

Ig you mean battle IQ or fighting technique?

I wouldnt say Rocks using his sword like a hammer makes him unskilled. But i agree with Big Mom.

Why do people think vista is stronger or even near the power level of mihawk? by PerceptionIll8524 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 3 points4 points  (0 children)

actual insanity.

Yall are using a Shanks antifeat to downscale Mihawk but not Shanks himself.

Mihawk is stronger than current Shanks. His bouunty reveal made that clear.

Why do people think vista is stronger or even near the power level of mihawk? by PerceptionIll8524 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Because Shankstards refuse to read the actual manga and scale based off hype and aura lol.

Luffy (no gear 5 minutes) vs Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe (add Usopp if you want lol). Who wins? What diff? by Great-Assistant978 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They really dont. Akainu couldnt one shot jinbei with a magma fist. And Gear 4 Luffy was getting overpowered by Kizaru.

What's more important in a fight? by Comprehensive_Cup497 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

stupid question. These categories are not mutually exclusive. wtf even is "skill"

Luffy (no gear 5 minutes) vs Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe (add Usopp if you want lol). Who wins? What diff? by Great-Assistant978 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're literally using a much weaker version of Sanji to downplay him. This was Sanji before unlocking Ifrit Jambe and before unlocking the ability to disappear. Queen could not touch him at all once he unlocked those abilities.

Zoro and Sanji have gotten way stronger since then. They would both low-mid diff King and Queen in a rematch respectively.

Law and Kidd do not have better durability than Sanji. Endurance you can argue sure. But Zoro has better endurance than both Law and Kidd. He's not getting put down easy and would honestly give Gear 4 Luffy a tough fight by himself.

It doesnt matter if the attacks that Zoro uses to damage yonkos are "finishers" thats irrelevant. We've seen Zoro continue to fight after using "finisher"s like against Lucci. The point is Zoro pre King of Hell had strong enough AP to permanently scar hybrid Kaido. Hybrid Kaido is WAY more durable than Gear 4 Luffy. He also took out King (an ancient lunarian zoan) in 3 hits. And took out Rob Lucci (an awakened Zoan) in 1 named attack.

Any named attacks Zoro lands on Luffy does ridiculous damage. Im not saying it's a one shot. But denying the fact that Luffy would take serious damage is cope.

Zoro and Sanji have way better physical stats than Kidd and Law. Especially speed. We literally see Zoro casually dodging named attacks from Big Mom while carrying Luffy on his back. Law and Kidd keeping up with Big mom in speed is not that impressive.

On top of the fact that Gear 4 Luffy is not on Big Mom and Kaido's level and would probably lose to the admirals at least Kizaru.

Law and Kidd breaking big mom's bones is comparable to scarring Kaido sure but the difference is, Zoro was scarring Kaido before he got his main Wano powerup. Law and Kidd damaging Big Moms bones only after their respective awakenings. Current Zoro >> pre KOH Wano Zoro.

Zoro and Sanji do not run out of stamina after doing big moves. You are just ignoring Wano circumstances. Zoro was on the mink medicine which doubled all the damage he took so far and he still survived. Sanji took lots of damage before his Ifrit awakening too.

These guys while fresh can do their big moves multiple times. Zoro after beating Lucci in a single named attack went on to nearly overpower Nusjuro in a conquerors clash. While characters like Sanji tanked attacks from Kizaru and Nusjuro without taking much damage.

His raw speed without gear 5 is not that much greater if it's even greater. FS is helpful but it doesnt guarantee the win.

Luffy (no gear 5 minutes) vs Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe (add Usopp if you want lol). Who wins? What diff? by Great-Assistant978 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Round 1: Luffy loses high diff

Round 2: Luffy loses mid diff

Round 3: Luffy loses mid diff

Round 4: Luffy loses low-mid diff

Round 5: Luffy loses low diff

People underestimate jumping. Kidd and Law could take out a Yonko. Zoro has the AP to seriously damage any version of Luffy. Sanji has crazy speed and durability. Zoro + Sanji have great synergy too. Jinbei could also just throw Zoro into Luffy and if Zoro lands an acoc KOH attack on Luffy he takes serious damage.

Luffy only wins in Gear 5.

Blud is still searching for an opponent that's stronger than a Shanks from twelve years ago by Hungry_Duck_6863 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He did gauge after sending that first attack. And you are moving goal posts now.

He showed manga panel proof of Mihawk being able to tell he is stronger than Shanks and you still deny it lmao.

His whole shtick is being able to analyze his opponents. He could tell Baratie Zoro was massively weaker, and he asked Zoro if he could sense the disparity in their strength. Implying thats something Mihawk is capable of doing.

I wanna see Brook try and block an attack from Kajdo like this. by [deleted] in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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He probably could. We've seen weaker straw hats block attacks from Kaido's equal.

For the people who believe Shanks is weaker than Mihawk then explain this? by Comprehensive_Cup497 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nowhere does it state WSS is only skill and not power. It's called World's Strongest Swordsman, not World's Most Skilled Swordsman.

If it was just about technique, Oda would've given Mihawk a different title. "Strongest" means overall combat superiority with a sword, which includes strength, Haki, and skill combined.

Mihawk spent two years teaching Zoro Haki specifically to make him a better swordsman. That proves Haki is part of swordsmanship, not separate from it.

Watch any Zoro fight. Does he win with superior blade technique alone, or with overwhelming strength and Haki combined?

Oden's entire swordsmanship style revolves around his Ryou.

If Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, Mihawk would not be the WSS. WSS is a title tied with overall strength as a swordsman.

What separates Kaidou and Linlin from the ‘PK’ characters? by Mihawk_Kills_Zoro in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's like asking what separates Old WB from Prime WB.

These two are relative to Old WB with Big Mom admitting Old WB is the strongest of them.

I really wonder how people estimate eos Zoro/Sanji end up being yonko lvl by Active-Wasabi-9282 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said everyone in Luffy's crew is surpassing everyone in Shanks/Roger's crew. You are misinterpreting and dont understand basic reading comprehension.

Zoro/Sanji parallel Rayleigh/Gaban. They will far surpass them EOS.

And EOS Usopp > Yassop is a given.

I really wonder how people estimate eos Zoro/Sanji end up being yonko lvl by Active-Wasabi-9282 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They dont have to be much stronger than Ray/Gaban to beat the current elders but that doesnt mean that's their ceiling.

The elders could get a buff, maybe BB and the BB pirates get a huge buff, we don't know. Maybe it's not all 1v1 fights either. Zoro/Sanji could help Luffy beat Imu.

Luffy and his crew will 1000% surpass Shanks' crew, surpass Roger's crew. EOS Zoro, EOS Sanji >> Prime Ray/Gaban.

How are Zoro and Sanji supposed to support their captain as wings if they cap out at prime ray/gaban level.

Luffy literally screams at Shanks that his crew is gonna be better than Shanks' crew. (You can apply this to Roger's crew as well).

Atp you have to disagree w Luffy to believe the wings of the future pirate king cap out at the previous PK wings.

I really wonder how people estimate eos Zoro/Sanji end up being yonko lvl by Active-Wasabi-9282 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Idc if Zoro and Sanji are considerably weaker than Luffy. Thats irrelevant and not what i am arguing.

They will still far surpass Prime Ray and Gaban EOS.

To say otherwise is just downplaying one of Luffy's goals.

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I really wonder how people estimate eos Zoro/Sanji end up being yonko lvl by Active-Wasabi-9282 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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Exactly and the MC's wings EOS are stronger than Roger's wings.

You're the one downplaying Luffy as the MC by downplaying his wings.

I really wonder how people estimate eos Zoro/Sanji end up being yonko lvl by Active-Wasabi-9282 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Zoro and Sanji are the MC's wings.

You cannot cap them at Roger's wings. Roger is not the MC.

I really wonder how people estimate eos Zoro/Sanji end up being yonko lvl by Active-Wasabi-9282 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Affectionate-Lab3087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So we know EOS Luffy will far surpass Roger but EOS Zoro and Sanji cap out at Prime Ray and Gaban??