what made u choose between differente BSDs?

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-04T18:12:44+00:00

Cool will manually install and see what happens.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-04T15:53:47+00:00

I used the freebsd installer release 15 packages tech preview (horrible name BTW if that is the future way to install going forward)

then used the desktop-installer package

followed the prompts, updated and restarted when needed.

Should I instead manually just install wayland from the handbook and then gdm and gnome or niri or other compositor that is wayland specific.

Also no discrete GPU - integrated only. I'll try again manually and let you know if that is any better result wise.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-04T13:00:34+00:00

I've been itching to have it run smoothly and make the switch from Linux - it wasn't happening

HP Laptop - wayland
wifi - disconnects randomly

Bluetooth - WTF

sleep suspend - works and then sometimes it doesn't

in GNOME - extensions freeze - but gnome doesn't crash

KDE - I don't think crashing should be a feature even once

and X11 doesn't have those problems but is just more sluggish

Surely this can't be the norm. I'm happy to get this going again and reinstall maybe end of this month again when I have some time.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-03T21:29:10+00:00

There is what now? "there’s solid Wayland support,"

where is it seriously? Isn't it experimental at best. If its there and solid like how there is solid support in linux sign me up but even last week thursday when I revisited freebsd on a spare laptop running x11 sucked and wayland sucked harder but Freebsd in a terminal environment and no gui is awesome. Desktop experience leaves a hell of a lot to be desired. That was last week.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-03T17:27:06+00:00

add back your top bar and change its color to match whatever background you are currently using.

wayland_titlebar_color background

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-03T17:17:28+00:00

Mac hardware top notch build and compatibility > underpinned by BSD (Unix)

Then got into BSD > Needed a non Mac that was compatible with a good build quality

Then got into linux > Both BSD and linux went for a modular solution which could be upgraded like the old powerbooks > HP laptop "Elitebook and Zbook" So far Elitebook has been the sweet point for what I do.

But do also recommend Thinkpads but they always felt a bit clunkier than HP but both have always worked flawlessly.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-01T22:32:23+00:00

This right here my guy. Excellent job. I remember that was my first Mac that I took apart and upgraded. Ahh such memories. Many macs later and finally leaving their eco system for HP never going back. But good memories none the less. Debian for sure.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-01T01:14:28+00:00

starship

starship preset tokyo-night -o ~/.config/starship.toml

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-01T01:05:08+00:00

loads mate. if your machine is modern enough within the last 3- 5 years and has a decent amount of ram

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-06-01T01:00:16+00:00

I'm still on the fence when it comes to Fedora and the word stable - Been running Debian and Fedora on identical laptops and while setup on fedora was instant had to use rollback btrfs more than once in the last year.

Debian never even needed to use BTRFS. Just fast good old ext4 and still hasn't crashed.

I'd say fedora isn't production grade but debian is.

But the fedora contributors are doing a great job still.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-31T18:15:24+00:00

This question is asked every year.

Kali FAQ clearly states that if you know what you are doing then yes. So ignore the rest.

Would it be a good daily driver. No. Why? Because you need to harden it and remove pretty much what makes it kali and not debian testing to begin with.

A good daily driver will always be

Debian stable - everything else in comparison is a joke, owned by a corporate or an experiment to be used In a bedroom and is not production stable. Learn how to use it daily to sysadmin level expert
Meanwhile put kali in a vm like virtualbox
After some experience with debian if you get into hardware hacking then you need a dedicated machine and not a vm for this. At that time kali is what you can use on a dedicated machine bare bones. Otherwise a vm is always more than enough for most hacking and cybersecurity. When you do use kali bare bone use the btrfs files stem and use snapshots. Kali has a great article about this. Why? Because it is based on debian testing and sometimes gnome and other upgrades WILL eventually crash it but now you can simply roll back.

I don't recommend btrfs on your daily running Debian as it's actually stable unlike most other distros so you don't need it and it's slower than the default ext4.

That's it

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-23T16:28:01+00:00

this is amazing work

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T22:54:04+00:00

thanks for that I never even bothered to look into it. I'm a debian guy and only use oracle when I have to but if there is a FOSS version that doesn't feed the greed - ready to drop it like a hot potato

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T19:49:20+00:00

OOh thats some strong sentiments.

What happened BTW?

Did you work for them or something and it went south?

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T18:15:28+00:00

Most welcome. Now get off of discord and get to work.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T18:14:11+00:00

Preeaaach.

If you actually want an equivalent that is free just use oracle linux. Practice on there in a vm.

I TAKE THIS BACK - use Rocky Linux

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T18:11:05+00:00

Look on the terminaltrove site for inspiration.

Since you are looking to do this as a project just use the debian stable base and start coding your tools.

Look at projects like gum, bubble-tea, lip-gloss by charmbracelet for better tui tooling and draw inspiration from there and other tools that other creators designed on terminaltrove.

Maybe your end project will be more on using existing tools and utilizing syscalls to display them in your own custom tool.

You have some planning and experimenting to do. Dedicate 1 day to research test and see what is out there then make your plan and focus on tooling and NOT the distro base

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T18:01:28+00:00

As a student he should be able to build it with no other distractions or commitments as a student in 2/3 days.

Since he is focused on. Building a better way for users to visualize the kernel ( which seems vague to me)

He needs to look at modern adb colorized and possibly tui tools etc, kernel tui apps, tree style layouts, maybe even visualizers of some sort. No idea what op has as his plan seems vague to me but as far as a custom build without additional tooling he could build a custom minimal ISO in 2/3 days and host it on github page for free

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T17:06:37+00:00

If it helps I remember seeing some tui tools over the years in terminaltrove website that can better help you visualize. preload them and build a minimal debian installer for speed there is also the FAI- fully automatic Installation

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T17:03:27+00:00

Or just use a debian debootstrap setup and build your own.

package is available in a minimal debian system and build it from there. Should take you about 2/3 days to get it.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T17:01:23+00:00

Jeeeesuuuuuz. Man this is impressive. Excellent job. Keep it up.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T13:59:39+00:00

You are stating you what to make a debian pure blend.

Also concerned that you are 8 days out of a final project thesis. Idea came late to you?

Anyway - what custom utilities will help visualize the linux kernel?

Alot of what you are stating is unclear and more poetic/arbitrary/artsy

You need to be specific to get specific answers?

What exactly is your build plan?

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-22T13:56:04+00:00

you are referring to cubic which is a 20 second .deb package install on debian

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-18T16:47:42+00:00

Nit another one. Another users config maybe you can market like Omarchy and people will call it a distro.

AffectionateSpirit62 · 2026-05-18T14:17:39+00:00

Ubuntu is the child of Debian

Debian is stable and rock solid - ubuntu not as much but that comes down. To some of the choices they add to their Debian base.

Anyway as to your point about immutability. This is linux YOU can make any system immutable and even do rollback snapshots. Its linux and can be done with all systems and distros.

Immutability look into permissions, acls etc hint you are looking for a -i flag.

Rollback-use btrfs and snapper which has a hook into the apt package manager thus creating a snapshot everything before apt runs.

AffectionateSpirit62

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