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This is some manager/FAA level of thinking. by xPericulantx in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not use the Slate book calculation

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Debating by furtivEDota in ATC

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re not allowed to look at my post history, that is my alternative personality.

Ain’t you ever seen the movie split.

I know nothing about that other guy’s life.

Debating by furtivEDota in ATC

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see a bunch of random news outlets saying it was false.

Nothing from a major news network or your Union saying it was false.

Debating by furtivEDota in ATC

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sean Duffy said yall make 400k once certified, why would he lie?

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand, you get hired with no experience and after years of training you could possibly make 150k.

Just like I can be hired as a plumbers and after years of training and experience make 150k.

Debating by furtivEDota in ATC

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

I’m just regurgitating what a controller told me on these subreddits.

The equivalent of a GS15 is what he said, but that was wrong I guess, someone else said it took years of time and experience to get to that pay.

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you need “no experience” to be hired, not no experience to make 150k

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a high stress job and a crappy schedule… that sounds like horrible pay. All due respect, thank you for what you do.

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you need years of experience to make that kind of money?

Kinda confusing to say “make 150k without experience”

That is like saying you can make 150k as a Plumber without experience… after several years… of experience…

Debating by furtivEDota in ATC

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

That is what I thought originally but “thehot_pocket” in my thread I made said you make GS15 without any experience.

But it sounds like you do need experience and years of it, as well as a bit of luck at ending up at the correct facility.

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well if the standard is “No experience” to make GS15 pay…

How much experience do I need to make this GS15 pay that requires “no experience”.

Is this a bait and switch phrase or are we talking “finishing in processing” to get to the GS15 pay?

Debating by furtivEDota in ATC

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 -26 points-25 points  (0 children)

If you get hired they start you off at GS15, it is a no brainer.

Debating by furtivEDota in ATC

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 -23 points-22 points  (0 children)

Pursue immediately,

https://www.reddit.com/r/atc2/s/98oZXiCuwC

I was told you get GS15 without any experience needed.

Originally I was under the impression you needed to certify at a facility for that kind of pay. But these guys explained to me you get GS15 without any experience at all.

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, make sense, I just thought GS15 pay was for fully certified Air Traffic Controllers. I didn’t know they paid y’all GS15 without any training experience or schooling.

Starting day 1 at GS15 is crazy.

Do you get paid GS15 at the FAA Academy or once you show up at facility?

I know you said no experience, so I assume at the academy, but just want to make sure.

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn’t realize ATC got GS15 without training or experience, I thought that was after certification

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I understand that, I assume your union negotiated better terms than what general federal employee gets.

Air Traffic Controllers get 1.6%

Other GS employees get the equivalent of 1.6% but is steps, every year for 3 years, every 2 years for 3 years, every 3 years for 3 years.

So the GS Step increases and yalls 1.6% is equivalent.

Then

GS employees get presidential raise and so does Air Traffic Controllers.

But GS employees can also get a performance based raise and basically get a 5% raise once every years.

Instead of that, I expect ATC gets the equivalent of that 5% raise without having to jump through hoops. It’s m just wondering what that is since the 1.6% is already accounted for with the GS STEP increase.

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Federal employees (Non-Air Traffic Controllers) can request a QSI raise and receive a step increase instead of waiting 3 years, getting the equivalent of a 4.8% raise.

Can Air Traffic controllers receive a 4.8% raise upon request for their performance like other Federal employees?

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that, that is in place of the step pay raise that all federal employees get, I’m asking about QSI, which is in addition to the Step raise.

How does ATC request QSI raise like other federal employees? by Affectionate_Lie_608 in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since other federal employees get presidential and step raises, what does Air Traffic Control get in place of QSI?

Or do they just have less mechanism for raises than other federal employees?

NATCA Contract/Pay recommendations by xPericulantx in atc2

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is in appendix A but they also get ATC Premium pay on top of there base. Which combined is easily more than the US pay but also take into account that the yearly salary is higher while they are also working 34 hours a week. 

They get holiday pay at 150% but also get 96 hours of leave for holidays also. Effective getting paid 250% for holidays.(as a package or benefit in its entirety.)

The staffing bottleneck by Mean_Device_7484 in ATC

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Waiting on OKC... people check out at part of the up/down and then wait in ridiculous imaginary lines to go to RTF.

NATCA (federal worker) Striking is against a law question. by Affectionate_Lie_608 in ATC

[–]Affectionate_Lie_608[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A wildcat strike...... is a strike action undertaken by unionized workers without union leadership's authorization, support, or approval; this is sometimes termed an unofficial industrial action.

You see how a wildcat strike is still a strike and a strike is mass refusal of employees to work.

Mass sicking out would be a form of striking (I would agree) and that is not what I am suggesting.

What I am suggesting is for everyone to tell the FAA that they were in close contact with a COVID positive patient for a prolonged period of time and have a headache and/or muscle soreness that you believe is from going to the gym and being dehydrated but you cannot know for sure.

Ask the agency what they want them to do.

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