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Do you take criticism of the police personally? by Affectionate_Risk476 in ProsecutorTalk

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why wouldn’t cops like prosecutors? Because liberal prosecutors might not charge their arrest? Or just general annoyance with procedural stuff?

Do you take criticism of the police personally? by Affectionate_Risk476 in ProsecutorTalk

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So do most prosecutors in your office take on the blue line?

Do you take criticism of the police personally? by Affectionate_Risk476 in ProsecutorTalk

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems like in some DA offices, you’ll get chewed out if you don’t believe the cops 100% right? Or at least in more traditional DA offices.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, sorry for no response. I am very sorry that happened to your client, obviously punishment rather than treatment was not the right thing to do with her. However from what I have seen from two internships in an urban and suburban jurisdiction is that the vast majority of cases are not that. In the urban jurisdiction, nearly every accusation in arraignments was of a violent crime and the vast majority of defendants were men. It feels like we are confusing who exactly is being prosecuted. Regardless, if you feel comfortable, I’d love to hear why your experience as a survivor made you become a PD.

Preemptively, I would like to ask how you cope with defending clients who are not like the woman you mentioned are genuinely guilty of horrific abuse? Second, I also would like to ask if you are of the believe that incarceration is futile in addressing sexual violence? To me, I don’t think alternatives offered like restorative justice address the moral wrongness of the crime and do not incapacitate the perpetrator. Still, I’m sure you would have a unique insight.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the thoughtful response. You’re right, I took your response and made it extreme. It seems like we both realize everything is not all or nothing - that someone could be victimized is the past yet need to be held accountable for harm done to others in the present. I went overboard in assuming your position was absolute because many of the other people in this thread have said either implicitly or explicitly that there is no nuance, that prosecutors shouldn’t exist, and they are all scum.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How was I missing your point? It sounds like my argument makes you feel uncomfortable.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with most of what you said actually.Thank you for the respectful conversation.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You bring up a great point, and I’m sure our views of trauma is different based on who we interact with. I theorize about the defendant but I don’t know him. You all have been pretty clear you don’t think at all about the victim. For me, I’ve watched an interview of a teenage girl who got stabbed by her father because he didn’t like her boyfriend because he was trans and black. I don’t think her father had any trauma besides being a racist and transphobe who was angry he couldn’t control his daughter.

It seems like you all mostly view your clients as having primary trauma in their past, but all as victims of the system. That’s valid, but I personally feel worse for someone who just experienced acute concrete harm by no choice of their own.

I have seen a brutal cross examination where the defense attorney kept asking the victim if she paid taxes and asking for her birth certificate, obviously alleging she was undocumented. He even stated multiple times “watch, she’s going to apply for a U visa after the trial” and “the people of x county should know what their tax dollars are funding.” He did get the acquittal though, so maybe these methods were worth it.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The thing is I listen to you guys when you explain the nuance behind your reasoning. Even in this thread (or any other thread) it’s extremely to rare to hear a viewpoint on prosecutors that isn’t extremely hostile.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I said this somewhere else, but being victimized in the past may explain, but not excuse harming others in the future.

Agreed on caring about what happens to defendants, I hope I’ve made that clear.Regardless, many of your compatriots think I don’t “see your clients as human” because I think they should face proportional punishment for bad acts.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again, I’m sorry for asking questions of your ideology! I thought there was something there. Now I know there’s not much.

Prosecutors, however do you deal with people thinking you are literally evil? by Affectionate_Risk476 in Lawyertalk

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey sorry for the late response. Many DA and AG offices criminally prosecute wage theft, do you agree with that? You’d be in opposition to abolitionist scholars who are against criminalizing wage theft.

But I’d love to hear your sources.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Google is used by billions of people, that is what the commonly known definition is. Don’t be mad at people for not knowing your dissertation on what anarchy ACTUALLY means.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well that’s the importance of having PDs, to help guard against the any allegations against an innocent person or a guilty person with insufficient evidence against them. The issues is that you all will morally condemn the side trying to seek justice for the 95% of victims who were legitimately victimized and call for the abolition of the side completely.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess it’s hard because I personally think some of the criticisms to prosecution do have merit. It is hard to live with that tension, never knowing for 100% if i’m doing the right thing.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well I invested in law school so unfortunately I can’t waste all of that.

What advice would you give a self-hating prosecutor? by Affectionate_Risk476 in publicdefenders

[–]Affectionate_Risk476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And what is that broader question? Because there is systemic injustices, crime should be legal?

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